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Skamour14
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Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 4:20 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey I am now in Grand Rapids, came down there a lil bit ago, or as we say in the "D" a grippity grip ago, and I was wondering what the heck is going on with the Book- Caddy building? I seen the plastic and all that jazz up but just wondered. Also when is that Transformers film coming out? wasnt that shot downtown??
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Buddyinrichmond
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Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 4:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's being rehabbed into a hotel.
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Blort
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Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 4:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

They are cleaning it out and preping it for demolishion.
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Skamour14
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Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 4:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I sometimes wonder if this idea is going to fall through...... Last year when I lived down there next to the Majic stick, they said the same thing and they...(the contractors)stalled...... hope it all goes as planned.
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Rhymeswithrawk
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Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 4:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Transformers" comes out July 4. It was filmed at MCS and on Fort near Shelby.
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Kenp
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Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 4:31 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

your bad blort
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Ndavies
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Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 4:32 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/5/78124.html?1172377193
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Rhymeswithrawk
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Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 4:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

demolishion.

Wow. That's what I call creative writing in the spelling dept.
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Urbanize
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Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 4:36 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

lol. He wants to bring demise on something and can't even spell out his rant.
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Kenp
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Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 4:37 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think he was being funny
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Psip
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Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 4:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I LOL'ed when I read that.
BWT Blort, you owe me a new keyboard, coffee sprayed all over it.
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Urbanize
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Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 4:53 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Anyway, my answer to your question Skamour is "work is going on the the B-C".
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Blort
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Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 5:30 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"I think he was being funny"

I thought it was obvious. I guess the other guys didn't catch on to the sarcasm.
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Urbanize
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Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 7:56 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No, I knew you were being funny, but I was sort of continuing the remark of Rhymeswithrawk.
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Rustic
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Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 9:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Isn't the BC moving to Dallas?
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Apbest
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Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 9:17 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

skamour they've all but sold out of the condos....it's not going to fall through
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Bob
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Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 9:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just the top two floors of the BC are moving to Dallas, the rest are staying here in Detroit as a commitment to the town it was founded in.
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Rhymeswithrawk
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Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 10:00 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Isn't the BC moving to Dallas?

hahahaha. now THAT is funny.
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Drankin21
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Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 2:19 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If the BC moves to Dallas, GM should rename the Cadillac division
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Kenp
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Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 9:15 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I thought they were going to convert the Book into a parking garage to support the new Griswold project and future renovation of the Lafayette building.
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Johnlodge
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Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 11:28 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LOL stop the disinformation! You're going to confuse the poor newcomers. ;)
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Reetz12
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Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 11:32 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Grippity Grip Ago" is that what we say around here?
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Rustic
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Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 4:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"If the BC moves to Dallas, GM should rename the Cadillac division"

Good point.

For my part I am going to stop reading books.
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Paulc
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Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 5:00 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is being rehabbed into multiple Subway sub shops with ground floor retail. :-)
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Urbanize
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Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 5:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"It is being rehabbed into multiple Subway sub shops with ground floor retail."

Seeing that there's a quiznos right across the street, A Subway, Jimmy Johns, and Starbucks are probable first tenants.
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Paulc
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Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 1:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Urbanize - I was only joking based on the "Subway Closes in Warrendale" thread - and the running "ground floor retail" joke in other development-related threads.
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Burnsie
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Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 1:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If there ever was a candidate for a deleted thread, this is it.
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Fareastsider
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Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 1:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I thought they were gutting it to make the worlds tallest parking structure for when they build the new Cobo and joe louis on Washington Boulevard. WE need more parking downtown and thankfully the fine leaders of this city know it
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Jdkeepsmiling
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Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 2:18 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Whatever is going on at the B-C, it is definitely "more then meets the eye."
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Exmotowner
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Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 3:10 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

When do they expect the BC to re-open for biz?
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Burnsie
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Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 3:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This thread may well evolve into a replacement for the existing B-C thread, so I'll go with the flow. Exmotowner, fall 2008 is the most frequently cited re-opening time I've seen.
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Urbanize
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Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 5:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Urbanize - I was only joking based on the "Subway Closes in Warrendale" thread - and the running "ground floor retail" joke in other development-related threads."

I know. I noticing that I'm appearing too serious. I'm aware folks that what you're saying in these remarks are jokes. However, I wasn't lying when I said a Subway or Jimmy Johns or Starbucks would be probable first tenants. There already everywhere else in Downtown.
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Lvnthed
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Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 4:09 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just looking for up-dated pics of downtown BC,MGM,
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Skamour14
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ok so I guess that they are not going to re open the B/C.... man when my bro. gets home from China hes going to be dissapointed.
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Urbanize
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Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 9:13 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What is occuring at the Book-Cadillac in summarization is "hard work to meet the '08 deadline".
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Mdoyle
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Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:17 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow, have we just actually convinced some poor guy that the BC isn't happening. hahaha. I mean uh.. yeah tear that schitt down.
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Rhymeswithrawk
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Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:45 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm happy to see at least the outside of the building will be saved.
I'm optimistic that it will help the CBD tremendously.
I'm pessimistic that it will be finished by fall 2008.
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Milwaukee
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Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:48 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

When are they going to begin the demolition?
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Rhymeswithrawk
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Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:52 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The interior demolition began long ago, Milwaukee. You'd think they've gotta be close.
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Livernoisyard
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When was it when Kimberly-Clark started demoing that building--2003? Actually, anybody in Detroit probably knew that...

The current Wiki article states: "In July 2003, after years of legal battles to fully acquire the building and to find a developer, the city of Detroit announced a $150 million renovation deal with the Kimberly-Clark Corporation to turn the building into a Renaissance Hotel. Work started shortly after the announcement but came to a halt in November when construction crews discovered more damage than anticipated. The associated cost overrun caused Kimberly-Clark to back out of the deal. A new renovation plan through the Cleveland-based Ferchill Group was announced in November 2005, with the Book-Cadillac to become a Westin Hotel. Work started in August 2006 and is scheduled to be completed in late 2008. It is hoped that its re-opening may spur new business growth in its neighborhood"
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Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 9:31 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I live a block from Book Caddilac. 3:30am loud explosions still comming from dump trucks. they ain't messin around.
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Fareastsider
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Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 10:17 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What is the Book Cadillac?
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Urbanize
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Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 10:21 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Fareastsider, if you don't know what the Book-Cadillac is, you don't need to be on the site.

Now Downtown_Remix, what is the Book-Caddilac?
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Fareastsider
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Isnt it some book about the car company?
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Psip
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Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 10:50 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"When was it when Kimberly-Clark started demoing that building--2003? Actually, anybody in Detroit probably knew that... " ( I think you meant Nobody?)

Actually it was broadcast on all of the TV stations. There was a fire in the basement caused by a cutting torch. Every station coved it. Lots of smoke and fire engines. Most thought that spelled the doom of the building.

There have been so many failed attempts to develop projects here, I think most people are totally numb to them. It seems that an entire generation has to pass until something happens. Either by renovation or asplodeing them.

How may plans had we heard about both the Hudson building and site. Nothing

Sea Food Factory... Nothing

FBI Headquarters... Nothing

UA Theater... Nothing

Mich Central Station... nothing

Broadrick Tower... Nothing

Book Building/Tower... Nothing

It took over 40 years to build something on the Kern block.

The only reason that the casinos are being built is under threat of loosing their license to steal.

I am not bitter, just numb.

/rant off
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Fareastsider
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Great point actually last night laying in bed I was thinking the same thing. There are so many plans and ideas but nothing ever takes off most of the time. nice list. THe Broderick has NOTHING going on and the Book Tower all of the tenants say that nothing is ever done and that is just two examples. I have to admit I am afraid that one day work will just stop at the BC. I know I am not alone in that belief I think there will be a collective DY sigh of relief when the doors open in 08!
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Psip
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Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 11:05 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You are right Fareastsider, I really want these projects to succeed. It just seems there is always a roadblock and nothing gets done in the end.
Its damm discouraging and unfortunately, gives fodder to detractors.
I use to think Skulker just "hated buildings" now I think he is just a realist. (but he really should get a new mattress)



(Message edited by PSIP on March 24, 2007)
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Lvnthed
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Lets not give up hope just yet.

The Broderick has a developer and a web-site already in place. And the Book Tower just got new owners last year, so lets give them a minute to get their plans together. They also intend to renovate into residential and retail.
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Burnsie
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Psip wrote, "It took over 40 years to build something on the Kern block."

33 years actually (still a hell of a long time, I know). After Kern's closed in 1959, various businesses continued to operate in it (and the other buildings on the block) until 1966, when all the buildings were torn down. Compuware finalized its development agreement in Nov. 1999.
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Psip
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Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 6:39 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good background Burnsie, Thanks!
I stand corrected.
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Gistok
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Psip, don't let Jelk get wind of doubters about the B-C... remember how he tore apart the B-C Skipper's Rule people so bad that I haven't seen that term used since...
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Psip
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LOL Gistok, I am not questioning the B-C. That is well on its way.
To be fair, there are many other developments going on up Woodward. Places I would have never though would see a construction worker again.
It's the other projects that just seem to wallow on forever.
Another to add to the list:

1001 Woodward.... Nothing (web site not updated since 7-10-2005)
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quote:

There have been so many failed attempts to develop projects here, I think most people are totally numb to them.



Psip,

The Detroit News just ran a story about the recent failures in local development projects:

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the multimillion-dollar plans including Costco stores in Canton Township and Woodhaven and the $46 million Yacht Harbor condominium project in St. Clair Shores -- all of which collapsed last month.



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St. Clair Shores lost almost $550 million worth of development in one day last month.

Two years' worth of extensions expired Feb. 6 for a $500 million high-rise condo and retail project called One Water Place. It would have generated about $76 million in tax revenue over 20 years. In exchange, the city pledged $13 million in road, sewer and water improvements and for part of a parking structure. The same day, approval expired for the Yacht Harbor development on Miller Marina. A similar $104 million mixed-use project that included retail shops and condominiums, The Monarch in Troy, fell apart in December and is being redesigned.



http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20070320/B IZ/703200385

There was no mention of the failed Silverdome redevelopment in Pontiac, but the News posted a nice list of other projects that have been delayed and/or scrapped:

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A number of Metro Detroit developments have received extensions from local governments , in some cases to ride out the sluggish economy. The list includes:

Plymouth
Project: Flury Dental Building
Request: One-year extension
Reason: Environmental issues
Result: Approved Jan. 11, 2006

St. Clair Shores
Project: One Water Place
Request: A second one-year extension
Reason: Legal issues
Result: Approved Feb. 6, 2006, and expired last month

Plymouth Township
Project: Schoolcraft Corporate Center
Request: One-year extension
Reason: Economy
Result: Approved Nov. 15, 2006

Romulus
Project: Superior Estates condominiums
Request: One-year extension
Reason: Economy
Result: Granted Nov. 20, 2006

Brighton
Project: Northridge Ponds condominiums
Request: One-year extension
Reason: Economy
Result: Granted Dec. 7, 2006

Livonia
Project: Office building
Request: One-year extension
Reason: Economy
Result: Granted Jan. 16, 2007

White Lake Township
Project: Glenmore Village, a 180-unit condominium project
Request: One-year extension
Reason: Economy
Result: Planning commission approval Jan.18, 2007

Brighton
Project: Candlewood Suites
Request: One-year extension
Reason: Change in franchises
Result: Granted Feb. 1, 2007

Oakland Township
Project: Hidden Creek subdivision
Request: One-year extension
Reason: N/A
Result: Approved Feb. 13, 2007

Novi
Project: Millennium Technology Center
Request: One-year extension
Reason: Economy
Result: Approved Feb. 14, 2007

Brighton
Project: Fourth Street Condominiums
Request: One-year extension
Reason: Economy
Result: First extension granted June 1, 2006. Second extension approved Feb. 26 by planning commission.

White Lake Township
Project: White Lake Technical Suites
Request: One-year extension
Reason: Economy
Result: Approved March 1, 2007

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