Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 11 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 12:39 pm: | |
Now officially slated for the wrecking ball. (for yet another surface parking lot?) Haven't been able to find a pic of it. Anyone? |
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13
Post Number: 1437 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 12:44 pm: | |
Kind of a funky, cool-looking old residential hotel. Too bad it couldn't be rehabbed. (It's probably horrible inside, though.) |
Fareastsider Member Username: Fareastsider
Post Number: 233 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 12:45 pm: | |
Where is it at? |
Dialh4hipster Member Username: Dialh4hipster
Post Number: 1949 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 12:50 pm: | |
Where is it? |
Bobj Member Username: Bobj
Post Number: 1764 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 1:07 pm: | |
Is it behind the Fox????????? |
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies
Post Number: 2481 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 1:09 pm: | |
It's on the north side of either Columbia or Elizabeth behind the Fox. |
Sknutson Member Username: Sknutson
Post Number: 816 Registered: 03-2004
| Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 1:12 pm: | |
Dialh: Where did you learn your grammar at? |
Kathleen Member Username: Kathleen
Post Number: 2057 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 1:53 pm: | |
That would be on the north side of Columbia. There's a parking lot on the block bounded by Park, Elizabeth, Clifford, and Columbia. |
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw
Post Number: 2547 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 3:17 pm: | |
Damnit. This is not where I want the loss of another old building. Can anyone substantiate this claim? Give a source? |
Homer Member Username: Homer
Post Number: 108 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 3:43 pm: | |
Illich seen this AM scurrying from floor to floor sucking the life from every room. Reported in the Det. Times |
Emu_steve Member Username: Emu_steve
Post Number: 174 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 3:56 pm: | |
Is that building in what we think would be the footprint of a new hockey arena?? Or an adjacent block which might become a parking site for a new arena? (I assume the consensus is that a new arena could be built in the area bounded by Park and Clifford and Elizabeth and Montcalm). Is there more to the story then a building being demolished? (Message edited by emu_steve on March 12, 2007) |
Spacemonkey Member Username: Spacemonkey
Post Number: 172 Registered: 03-2006
| Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 4:01 pm: | |
That is an awesome building. Completely modern and updated with today's latest comforts and conveniences! A must save structure! Tear it down. |
Yelloweyes Member Username: Yelloweyes
Post Number: 98 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 4:05 pm: | |
Making room for new Red Wings Home? Flagstar Arena perhaps? |
Leland_palmer Member Username: Leland_palmer
Post Number: 241 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 6:52 pm: | |
http://fadeddetroit.com |
Pinewood73 Member Username: Pinewood73
Post Number: 27 Registered: 07-2006
| Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 6:54 pm: | |
$2 per day or $5 per week |
Rhymeswithrawk Member Username: Rhymeswithrawk
Post Number: 384 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 7:26 pm: | |
Eh, Ilitch has committed far, far, far, far worse sins. |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 3789 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 8:09 pm: | |
As long as it is not directly ON Park Avenue, then it's not that big of a loss. Great arena site.... Save the curtains.... |
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul
Post Number: 677 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 8:33 pm: | |
Rb336, what makes you (or anyone else on the thread) think that it is slated for the wrecking ball? Did I miss a link to an article or some inside info. on another thread? |
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw
Post Number: 2549 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 9:01 pm: | |
Thanks, Leland. Now I know where this is. It's really isolated by parking lots. Say what you want about it being small and insignficant, but we're definitly no better off without it. It would be a pretty easy rehab for something residential given its small size. |
Blort Member Username: Blort
Post Number: 69 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 9:19 pm: | |
Yes! Keep tearing down more old buildings! |
Detroitplanner Member Username: Detroitplanner
Post Number: 1075 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 9:42 pm: | |
Hey! Thats where I put up all of my out of town guests!! How can they tear it down? I just chain them into the only room on the third floor with a window and give them a kerosene heater. |
Royce Member Username: Royce
Post Number: 2112 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 1:59 am: | |
That apartment building and the one next to it to the east are the two and only two buildings that would need to be torn down for a new hockey arena. The building on Elizabeth near Park could be moved, even if just to the corner of Elizabeth and Park. |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 3794 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 2:13 am: | |
Royce, wouldn't the orange panel Film Exchange Building have to come down as well? Or does it depends on how close to Adams they would want to build? But I agree, I would be all for moving some of these buildings for Park Ave. infill, with the arena just west of Park. |
Dialh4hipster Member Username: Dialh4hipster
Post Number: 1951 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 2:21 am: | |
At this point, is maintaining any of the remaining structures west of Park going to make any impact on the rebuilt urban structure? They should just tear down everything regardless over there. Build the damn stadium, fill in the last empty area between 375 and the Lodge! At the very worst there exists a clean slate for new construction. |
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw
Post Number: 2555 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 2:25 am: | |
If Ilitch went through that much effort, I would forever change my opinion of him. I don't know why the designs for the arena would come this far east, when there is so much additional wide open space to the west near/along Grand River. Dialh, you're being facetious, right? You do walk around downtown and notice that this is not the last remaining empty spot between the highways? And you do understand, as seen with Comerica Park, that leveling everything to build a stadium doesn't mean leveling everything to build a stadium. Because a stadium AND a bunch of surface lots is what we have around Comerica Park. Surface lots are useless in comparison to parking structures or underground parking, and a detriment to downtown. (Message edited by mackinaw on March 13, 2007) |
Dialh4hipster Member Username: Dialh4hipster
Post Number: 1953 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 2:36 am: | |
What I was pointing out was that the area just south of 75 from 375 to the Lodge is now almost fully built up, with the exception of this area. You've got Ford Field, Comerica Park, Foxtown/Park Ave, this giant field of nothingness, and then MGM Grand Casino/Hotel. So actually no, I wasn't being facetious. I think this would be the perfect spot for the new hockey arena, taking into account the same factors that made the construction of Comerica Park the impetus for a renewed Brush Park. Fill up the empty space! I think then you'll start to see Lower Cass turn into something more attractive than what it is today. Of course if someone wants to build a Crosswinds that would be welcome too. But "in all honesty" the stadium makes the most sense. |
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw
Post Number: 2558 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 2:44 am: | |
I agree that it is the perfect spot for the arena, and have thought that since the idea was first floated. I just know that, as seen around CoPa, there will be a push to level more land than is actually needed to make it happen, thus resulting in vacant lots which Ilitch will commandeer for parking. So I want to hold on to even the smallest old storefront if possible. You were basically looking at downtown chunk by chunk, i.e. stadia area, theatre area, casino area, and that is useful to an extent, and yes, west of the Fox is a giant empty chunk. We still need to look at downtown with a block-by-block appraisal, and consider what is contained in each chunk. So we need to look ahead to the finished product of the new arena district. |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 3797 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 2:45 am: | |
Mackinaw, the space between Park Ave. and Cass is more spacious and emptier than the space between Cass and Grand River (a triangular piece of land). And I don't think closing down Cass is a good option. |
Rhymeswithrawk Member Username: Rhymeswithrawk
Post Number: 396 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 4:33 am: | |
Ya know, I just hope that with the state's huge budget deficit and unemployment shooting through the roof that Mr. Pizza Pizza doesn't expect any taxpayer Help Help to build this new hockey arena. |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 12 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 9:13 am: | |
Charlottepaul - I know someone who is planning to bid on it |
Emu_steve Member Username: Emu_steve
Post Number: 176 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 9:35 am: | |
I agree with Mackinaw. It seems foolish for someone building something as mega as an arena or stadium to acquire 100% of the needed land and no more. I'd assume that Ilitch would want to parlay the adjacent land into some time of development (maybe a parking garage, maybe something else) and that land would have value to HIM but of little value to others (unless there is an arena built adjacent). How about Hockeytown II? (I'm just kidding). |
Gambling_man Member Username: Gambling_man
Post Number: 978 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 10:09 am: | |
Ahhhh....folks, let's not soon forget who "emptied" the space west of the Fox.......Illitch got most of that property as part of the "Comerica Park" deal.....he gained ownership of those lands/(alot of it buildings at the time) via "takings" under the guise that the properties would be used for a stadium....that was over a DECADE ago. |
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul
Post Number: 679 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 7:41 pm: | |
Rb336, I take it the bid for its demolition wasn't announced publicly then... |
Dnvn522 Member Username: Dnvn522
Post Number: 200 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 10:14 am: | |
quote:the space between Park Ave. and Cass is more spacious and emptier than the space between Cass and Grand River (a triangular piece of land) The four blocks in the Park Ave to Cass Ave area have 6 buildings.
Approx square footage of this site is 305,000. The four main blocks in the Cass Ave to Grand River area have 7 buildings not including the church. (The pic shows an eighth building that isn't there anymore.)
Approx square footage (not including church)of this site is 320,000. The three block area sliding to the south has 5 buildings.
Approx square footage of this site is 270,000. As a comparison... The Palace (building only) takes up approx 200,000 square feet. The Joe takes up approx 150,000 square feet. |
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw
Post Number: 2561 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 11:50 am: | |
Thanks Dnvn. I went back and looked at these photos after Gistok's posts, and I thought that the Grand River-Columbia-Cass Block could do the job better. |
Emu_steve Member Username: Emu_steve
Post Number: 181 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 12:12 pm: | |
I was wondering if Ilitch would consider building a parking garage with a Hockeytown MOTIF next to an arena? The Hockeytown motif would lend itself easily to exporting to a parking garage. A cathredral tower on the top parking level with a puck. Maybe the scrolling spanner: "Welcome to [TBD] Arena and Hockeytown Parking". Two video panels. Maybe a parking garage which adds value to the area! |
Planner_727 Member Username: Planner_727
Post Number: 96 Registered: 07-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 1:39 pm: | |
There is so much empty land in this area... Illtich, Tigers, or Olympia own almost 90% of it. Enough for an arena and literally about 5-6 square blocks of parking lots, if so desired. I'd love to see the arena with double frontage on Grand River and Cass, and the blocks between Cass and Park built out with parking decks that have retail on floors 1 and possibly 2. Make Park rehabs residential and you've got a great mixed use district just steps from MGM. |
Rhymeswithrawk Member Username: Rhymeswithrawk
Post Number: 468 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 4:54 pm: | |
On the positive side, maybe a new arena in this location will help out the Masonic Temple? |
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul
Post Number: 700 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 7:18 pm: | |
Eh, doubt it Rhymeswithrawk. There is some sort of 200 foot wide cavern between there and there. |
Rhymeswithrawk Member Username: Rhymeswithrawk
Post Number: 472 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 7:35 pm: | |
I know, but more traffic in the area ... So long as they don't level it for another parking lot. |
Leland_palmer Member Username: Leland_palmer
Post Number: 281 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 11:32 am: | |
Looks like it's official Ilitches get grant to raze building near rumored site of new hockey venue "The owners of the Detroit Red Wings within weeks plan to tear down a vacant building in an area of downtown Detroit long rumored to be their preferred site for a new hockey arena." Louis Aguilar / The Detroit News http://detroitnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20070404/U PDATE/704040441/1003 |
Royce Member Username: Royce
Post Number: 2168 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 8:58 pm: | |
If the arena could fit between Park and Cass, and Montcalm and Elizabeth that would be ideal. The only streets affected would be Columbia, and Clifford, which to me is a redundant street that can be closed since Cass serves as the north-south route out of and into the CBD west of Woodward. The Iodent Building, the fire house, and the little house on Elizabeth (which would have to be moved closer to Park) should be saved. Parking garages could go on the lots outside of the arena parameters. (Message edited by royce on April 04, 2007) |
Pinewood73 Member Username: Pinewood73
Post Number: 28 Registered: 07-2006
| Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 5:27 pm: | |
Pic I took of the Vermont Hotel before going to the All-Star Game in '05
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Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize
Post Number: 583 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 5:28 pm: | |
Why keep that rank of a hotel when you have the fabulous Hotel Park ave. next door to it? |
Royce Member Username: Royce
Post Number: 2174 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 4:40 pm: | |
^bump. |
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13
Post Number: 1516 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 8:24 pm: | |
Who owns the old "C.C. Bar" building on Cass within the area you're all talking about (Cass at Columbia)? If the owner isn't Ilitch, he or she might not want to sell out. I've noticed a "Court Order - Do Not Demolish" sign on that building. |
Royce Member Username: Royce
Post Number: 2176 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 6:34 pm: | |
^bump |