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Urbanize
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Post Number: 177
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 7:10 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok, now if Downtown was to ever sprawl and develop like we want it to, couldn't they sprawl it somewhat northward. A lot of Central Business is occuring in the area between the New Center and Downtown. ONly issue I guess with that would be that it would ruin the cityscape and skyline. What do you guys think?
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Nyburgher
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Post Number: 124
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Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 7:16 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I guess it helps get attention. But, if you mean normal mixed use walkable density don't use the word sprawl. The right word is growth which does usually mean some kind of changing skyline.
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Urbanize
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Post Number: 178
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 7:20 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ok, ty for the pointer.
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Downtown_remix
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Post Number: 4
Registered: 03-2007
Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 7:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Downtown was origially suppose to expand north. We are just 10 years behind that trend,,soon Boston Edison will be downtown ajacent..lol
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Urbanize
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Post Number: 179
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Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 7:31 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OH, so they had planned to build west to the lodge, then expand northward. IF that's the case, why not fix the borderings?
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Mackinaw
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Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 7:44 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm not so sure about the term sprawl, what we really need to do it fill in the gaps between downtown and midtown/New Center. If by sprawl you mean a new frontier of major development and new high-rises, the riverfront, east and west, is just that. Detroit could very well grow a nice east-west skyline over time on the riverfront.
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Supersport
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Post Number: 11419
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Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 8:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Am I missing something? Everything I've seen the past 5 years HAS been slowly sprawling northward from downtown. There has been way more development along the Woodward corridor than any other direction.
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Urbanize
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Post Number: 181
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Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 8:56 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

However, That cover of the book (The Detroit That never came to be) showed Downtown actually sprawling Westward. So that's why I brought it up.
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Supersport
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Post Number: 11420
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Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 8:58 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is it a good book?
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Lmichigan
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Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 9:03 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm pretty sure downtown already sprawl northward to New Center. What we call the 'downtown' is simply the central business district. Everything up to the edge of New Center is technically downtown. In fact, most cities define their downtowns much larger than what most Detroiter's define as downtown. There are a few gaps from decline, of course, but these have been historically connected for quite a few decades, now. (i.e. Midtown, Downtown, New Center)
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Urbanize
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Post Number: 183
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Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 9:08 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't know, it was on the site in another forum.
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Scottr
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Post Number: 420
Registered: 07-2006
Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 9:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Urbanize, was that actually the name of the book, or was it 'Unbuilt Detroit' (a free press insert), with something like this picture?

http://i66.photobucket.com/alb ums/h264/scottrreed/unbuiltdet roit-1.jpg

curious, in case it's something i haven't seen...
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Urbanize
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Post Number: 186
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Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 9:46 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

YEp, that's it. I believe I stated the name of the forum topic.
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Fareastsider
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Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 10:04 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Where is that picture from and what is the story of the book you are talking about. That image features the second comerica tower and I think that is the never built 80 floor book tower on the right...very interesting picture!
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Downtown_remix
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Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 10:06 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Midtown/Wayne state is truly comming into its own, Its power on the Woodward corridor will show its full potential with the completion of a few projects currently moving full speed ahead.
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Scottr
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Post Number: 421
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Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 10:08 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've found that to have some fascinating renderings - some things we're fortunate were not built, but most, i wish they had. Granted, that would probably mean that many more deteriorating buildings today, but the skyline would have been much more impressive.

If downtown expands, most of the commercial development will most likely be up woodward, with some along the other spokes. East and west along the riverfront will likely be mostly residential, taking advantage of the river and the parks along it.
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Urbanize
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Post Number: 187
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Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 10:15 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would prefer though that Downtown expands along the river, as it woould structure better, but that would be obscured seeing as all the things that need to be in Downtown and development is along the Woodward corridor. Wasn't this type of sprawl up the Woodward corridor the hopes for the compsers of the GM Headquarters and Fisher Building?
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Scottr
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Post Number: 422
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Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 10:20 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

fareastsider - here are some more pics from that insert if you're interested.

Those are not my scans, but i'm sure that's someone from this forum, but i can't remember who. I wish I had an original, though. A while back I took those and pasted them together into the single panorama to get a better idea of what it would look like, and did a little more cut and paste to get some color into the ghosted twin of comerica tower. From what i remember from past threads, it was an insert in the free press. i'm not sure what year, however. sorry, i don't know any more than that.

(Message edited by scottr on March 16, 2007)

(Message edited by scottr on March 16, 2007)
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Detroitplanner
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Post Number: 1090
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Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2007 - 11:40 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Downtown Sprawl? an oxymoron?
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56packman
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Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2007 - 11:48 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Detroit sprawled (is that a word?) itself during the "big build" of the teens and twenties. cluster developments like the cultural center and the new center were built at the outer reaches of the civilized world when they were built (slight exaggeration) instead of being centered around the CBD like other cities. The sprawl was begun long before any of the social factors came into play. It was always about cheap, clear land.
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Downtown_remix
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Post Number: 8
Registered: 03-2007
Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2007 - 12:18 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Every in-fill around downtown seems to be centered around lofts, 19 century house restorations,art galleries and coffee shops and YOUNG STUDENTS. This woodward cooridor will be Detroit's shinning star when everythings in place. I live downtown,its very noticable.
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Urbanize
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Post Number: 196
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Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2007 - 12:24 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would like the fill-ins of corporations in downtown like every other city.
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Downtown_remix
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Post Number: 9
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Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2007 - 2:27 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Burlington coat factory is shopping around for space in the city. I tried talking a scout to consider downtown det,maybe the temp MGM casino along with a krogers,an more
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Urbanize
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Post Number: 197
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Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2007 - 2:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's great news. That should consider MErchants Row or even that red Abandoned building on Clifford off the Fisher.
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Urbanize
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Post Number: 198
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Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2007 - 2:59 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No, they should consider moving into our only shopping Mall Bel-Air centre, as there in dyer need for retail from what I can see. They should consider the Target or Kids R Us or even Big Lot spaces.
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Urbanize
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Post Number: 203
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Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2007 - 3:03 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think a Farmer Jack would be more Feasible in Downtown Detroit, as everyone likes them and their more reasonable. Any word on any Sears or Target-type stores looking for space in the city?
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Lvnthed
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Post Number: 28
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Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 1:59 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

To late Urbanize; Farmer Jack parent company trying to sell; Will divide or package the sale of all stores. They are currently taking bids. Don't know about the name.
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Livernoisyard
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Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 2:12 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A&P has been trying to unload what's left of FJ to a sucker now for at least two years. Spartan showed an initial interest, but that fell through two years ago.
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Milwaukee
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Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 5:06 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I wouldn't call it sprawl when redevelopment spreads to other parts of the city. It's a healthy reuse of old buildings and neighborhoods. I get excited every time I think about redevelopment growing out of downtown and midtown and taking over other parts of the city. It'll happen someday.

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