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Bulletmagnet
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 6:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

more quick pics from todays journey:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /178/427262860_25eeac1ea1_b.jp g
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /158/427262859_0e8330175f_b.jp g
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /138/427262839_f0b05ba2f0_b.jp g
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /94/427262832_e4522dfd86_b.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /153/427249897_9ba3b650e3_b.jp g
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /186/427249883_7f85582a46_b.jp g
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /179/427249868_ce9803660a_b.jp g
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /181/427249855_01dcbdbd1f_b.jp g
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /170/427249844_a848d1c64a_b.jp g
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /185/427249833_2afb4f100b_b.jp g
(please disregard time stamp)
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Hans57
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 6:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Really makes you want to get up, get out, and do something! I appreciate the time you put into to taking and posting these pictures, but why?
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Jeduncan
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 6:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

At least you didn't post any depressing pictures.
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Goat
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 6:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I love the Thornton Grocery picture and the Art Deco Apollo Furniture store!

Thanks for sharing.

Hans57, he might like to showcase different parts of the city. Some of those dilapidated houses still have decent porch columns and trim that could be used for people restoring their own houses. Besides, taking pictures is a great hobby, maybe you should try it?
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Bulletmagnet
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 6:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, Hans57, what Goat said!
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Ray1936
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 6:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Enjoyed looking at each shot. I hate cliches', but "If walls could only talk......" Wonder what artifacts might be hidden in the walls and attics of those old homes?

Thanks for posting, Bullet. Good job.
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Jeduncan
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 6:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree with Hans57.
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Gtat44
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 7:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bulletmagnet,
Correct me if I'm wrong but, you look at and through these structures for what they were not what they are. I think they are excellent observations.
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Charlottepaul
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 7:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bulletmagnet, how did I phrase your photography a few weeks ago on your other thread? I need you to do a cut and paste here. I don't want to risk undermining my comments or your work with a mediocre phrase this time on this thread.
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Charlottepaul
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 7:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Took a few minutes, but dug it up: "Interesting. Some people as you know, have the ability to take a derelict building for example and capture a photograph of it that can show its beauty. Obviously this so far seems not to be your direction. In general it seems like most of your shots have been of rather negative images of the city even to the point of being very cynical (like your yard yacht series). I guess what I find the most interesting is that you take pictures of what you see without trying to frame it in any way or with little regard. Not necessarily a bad thing..."
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Bulletmagnet
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 8:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Charlottepaul, how did I know that I would feel the dagger of your pen? Is Gtat44 only one of the few who gets it? These photos are nothing more then an archive, a last look at a disappearing moment in our Cities time. I agree with Ray1936, if we could hear what these walls could say. Let me tell you something Charlottepaul, there are times when I just stare into these buildings, wondering. Wondering what it was like when it was some ones new home. Or what did it smell like at Thanksgiving? Or the sounds of babies crying, or parents loving, or rain on the roof. I wish I could extract each and every single sensation, but I can’t. All I can do is take the last photo of this place, and wonder…
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Billpdx
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 8:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I liked the photos, B. magnet.

I hear what you are saying, too. I guess it's just not everybody's thing.
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Peter
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 9:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bulletmagnet- These are great pictures. Your various postings give a good overall feel of the city. Obviously there are parts of the city that are downright embarrassing but at the same time there are parts that rival the beauty of any major city on earth. Some may say you are cynical... I say you are real. The city is what it is, there is no sugar coating it. Some day there may be no more burned out buildings or dilapidated structures. Someday the neighborhoods could see the same investment and prosperity that CBD is seeing today... but until then it is important that we remember them as a reminder.
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Hans57
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 9:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I do take pictures my horned and hoofed friend.
These are some of the pictures that people would consider to be the candy coating, but that's why I took them.
http://www.emporis.com/en/il/i m/?id=522880
http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=517089
http://www.emporis.com/en/il/i m/?id=517094
http://www.emporis.com/en/il/i m/?id=517313

(Message edited by hans57 on March 19, 2007)
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Bulletmagnet
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 9:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for the support Billpdx and Peter. Here are a couple more shots from the cynical lense of Bulletmagnet:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /153/427333792_c96aa71678_b.jp g
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /100/427333821_69964b0079_b.jp g
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /186/427333854_61ea1e033a_b.jp g
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /188/427262852_31e4b0e7a4_b.jp g
(again, please disregard time stamp)
Hans57 sweet shots! Nice work, you got more?Please..

(Message edited by Bulletmagnet on March 19, 2007)
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Mackinaw
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 9:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bullet, thanks for posting.

Sometimes photos don't need a deeper purpose, nor do they need to glorify the subject. Realism is great sometimes and it needs to accompany all the nice photos we see of Detroit.
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Rhymeswithrawk
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 10:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree with Mackinaw. Bullet isn't uncovering something that we don't already know is there, or something hidden in a closet or in the past. Anyone could see these. While Detroit is full of life and happiness, it also is full of death and despair. And I love the hell out of it.
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Cman710
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 10:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Personally, I think that both Hans and Bulletmagnet take really nice, interesting pictures. I am glad that, through this forum, we get to enjoy them.

Among Bullet's set, I like the one of the abandoned, snow covered house. For me, such pictures lead to greater questions, something I think to be one aspect of a great photograph. Just now, when I viewed it again, I thought, "Wow, look at that abandoned house. Isn't that awful? I wonder who might have lived here. Why did they leave? Why didn't anyone want this house when the last owner left it? What does it say about us that we allow such sturdy homes to fall into such disrepair?" Now, those questions will remain largely unanswered, but they provoke great thought.

At the same time, "sugar-coated" pictures help us envision where we may be going in the future, and help us celebrate a better past, which should inspire us to achieve even higher.
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Detroitplanner
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 10:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm powered-up for Nachos!

Most of the Detroit I see looks more like Bullet's pics than Han's and I work Downtown everyday.

Empty houses, empty streets, bus benches where there are no people, a dumping ground for the unwanted.
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Mackinaw
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 10:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If we are interested in the history of Detroit and thinking about the reasons for its rise and fall (and rise?) we can't shun pictures of it, nice or brutal. This is especially true for those of us who truly care about the city, and who are mature people who have thrown off the chains of ignorance. Sure tons of people who hate Detroit or who doubt it in general will use depressing photos as ammunition for saying that it sucks. We can use it for learning and for appreciating the history that we have and are stuck with.
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Hans57
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 10:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I say the future is now, so lets start living in it! Let bygones be bygones!(If that's how the phrase is spelled) Don't dwell in the past. Sorry about the bunk link, just copy and paste.
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Ray1936
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 10:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As one who is hooked on genealogy, I find the more you explore your past, the more important remnants of that past become. Bullet's snow covered house is an example in wondering what family successes and failures took place there.

Attached here is a newspaper clipping in my family files of an great great aunt who died in 1901. It shows she lived at 606 - 6th Street, which today is pretty much where the John Lodge and the Porter overpass would be. And the church was at 12th and Lysander, which I think was near Michigan. These are the little things that get me thinking when I see photos like those posted above.

Wonder if a church building still exists at 12th and Lysander? Isn't that Rosa Parks now?


CLIP
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Livernoisyard
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 11:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A year or so ago, I noticed there were lots of houses where the Lodge is in that CULMA aerial from 1949. It shouldn't be too hard too do some investigative work before the fire insurance docs are checked. It's too bad that Sixth Street was ground-zero for the Lodge downtown. Pretty much took out a lot near 5th and 7th too.
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Bulletmagnet
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 11:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks again Ray1936 for making my point. It’s about what one doesn’t see, not what one thinks they see.
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Dodgemain
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 11:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I cant access the CULMA site anymore. Anyone else having difficulty?
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Psip
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 11:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It just worked for me:
http://techtools.culma.wayne.e du/media/low_res/aerial_photos /index.htm
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Detroitplanner
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 11:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dodge CULMA is no more. The college was shamed into closing as they actually gave me a degree!
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Ookpik
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 11:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nice photos Bullet. Glad you are posting again. :-)
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Livernoisyard
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Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 12:42 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I sometimes have problems with CULMA. It appears to be a problem of having the preferences with Firefox being set incorrectly, perhaps. Currently I can download a PDF but cannot open the individual maps with Firefox.

Switching to IE works OK, though.
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Fareastsider
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Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 12:44 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You were not the only one snaping photos today...
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /156/427705802_8d56cc1e2c_b.jp g
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /174/427705793_c1b00ccfd8_b.jp g
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /164/427705797_7ecbe9db52_b.jp g
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /170/427731353_c2388cea94_b.jp g
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /160/427731360_bd86deee3b_b.jp g
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /170/427731366_7ad53b94c9_b.jp g
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Livernoisyard
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The 1949 CULMA seems to suggest that land acquisition for the Lodge was already underway by 1949 due to a fair number of vacated sections between 5th and 7th, whereas housing was very dense by 8th and to the west in 1949. Trumbull is 9th Street, BTW.

The Lodge started its planning in 1944 and probably didn't do much of anything physical until 1947 at the earliest due to the war-time domestic economy didn't recover until then.

(Message edited by LivernoisYard on March 20, 2007)
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Davetroit
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*Sidenote*
The Grand Trunk Railroad warehouse in Bullet's second pic can be yours for only $1,299,999 - 450,000 sf of pure heaven. Great views of the incinerator, lower level in ground pool, and free mystery drums.
In all seriousness, this is the type of building that can take a small missile and barely be shaken. Sure, it's beat up, and stripped; but 10 Acres is a lot of raw building space at a relatively low cost. The question is who is going to buy it, and what are they going to do with it?
The state of this building exemplifies one of the factors in the downfall of Detroit. Putting it back into productive use is a large part of the equation in reinventing the city. Now that's nothing ground breaking, but I think that most people look at these monstrous VACANT buildings as a lost cause (I emphasize vacant because it is not the same as abandoned - not tax reverted yet). Are they? Is there a company out there that may view this property as a low cost alternative to space in another market? In the general sense that is one of Detroit's assets that I don't see promoted enough.
Rail access lends itself to warehousing, but that's the obvious fit. What is the potential for a high tech use such as a server farm?
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Bulletmagnet
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Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 6:25 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nice shots Fareastsider. The last one is my favorite. I prefer taking shots on cold snowy grey days. You have no shadows to contend with, nor is there foliage to hide the view. Subtle primary colors really stand out in contrast. It allows the viewer to see the subject in all its starkness. Thanks for the side note info Davetroit. If I’m not mistaken, that building housed Denny McLain’s Farmer Pete’s just before it went belly up and McLain went to the clink. Lowell could the sever farm. Thanks all - Bullet
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Ray1936
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You guys can keep posting your photos all day long as far as I'm concerned. From 2k miles away, each one brings back memories of some kind. I'm amused at my reaction over how ugly the old Detroit street lights are.
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Fareastsider
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I think the cold grey days help make a nice background to some dreary Detroit scenery.
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Bulletmagnet
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Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 6:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here are todays roll of the dice:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /173/428514114_fcb6f7d888_b.jp g
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /172/428514104_b4996ea1da_b.jp g
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /167/428504322_8934983e28_b.jp g
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /173/428504291_75bd9d75f7_b.jp g
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /169/428504257_e21705761a_b.jp g
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /152/428514111_4e6eff6b61_b.jp g
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /181/428514074_06e75f1fac_b.jp g
http://farm1.static.flickr.com /184/428504269_fd4e615b57_b.jp g
The sun didnt help these shots, Fareastsider.
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Ladyinabag
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Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 6:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bullettmagnet-

Is this the area east of Connor and south of Jefferson?
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Bulletmagnet
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Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 6:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

West of Connor and north of Jefferson.
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Skulker
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Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 6:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You know what?

I'm tired of the photos of Detroit Ruins.

The whole "romance of decay" bit is trite and stale.

Its overdone.

It doesn't make you edgy or a deep thinker. It makes you unable to think beyond the obvious.

Its kinda like 13 year olds listening to the Cure and being convinced no-one has ever felt an emotion like theirs.

Next time when taking daring - no scratch that - darling little photos, instead of imagining what life was like for the folks that lived there and left,[oooh what did their Thanksgiving meal smell like?] imagine what life is like for folks trapped in poverty in the neighborhoods still.

Detroit is not your little playground.

Its where real people live and struggle each day.

Their homes are not for your precious little safari exploration to see the exotic and dangerous locations.

Perhaps if one is not careful, one of people living there might actually make you a bulletmagnet...just to get your shiny little camera.

And, btw, the documentation thing is well over done as well. Camillo Vergara has that schtick covered a hell of a lot better.

Next time, spend some time doing something useful.
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Charlottepaul
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Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 7:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Amen!
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Gtat44
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Skulker,
I understand and respect your opinion. But, I worked in alot of these area that he "shoots". Delivering boilers to older houses. A lot of the poverty you speak of is the fault of those who are in it (choice) I'm not saying that there aren't legitimate cases. But, I saw quite alot of abuse of government aid. Rent paid for, food stamps and newer car sitting in the drive. Food stamps sold for fifty cents on the dollar cash etc.
What ookpik is trying to show is HISTORY (correct me if I'm wrong ook)
Not enough respect has been given to our city's past.
And too much bitching about what is wrong with the city.
To him he IS doing something useful. He is not living in the past but appreciating it. If there were more people doing that. Maybe these pictures would'nt depress so many of you.
You can't have a bright future, without learning about and appreciating your past. Not enough politician and residents do this. It's easier to bitch and blame it on someone or something else.
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Skulker
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quote:

A lot of the poverty you speak of is the fault of those who are in it (choice)



Nice. The welfare queen with a Cadillac argument. Thought that was buried with Ronald Reagan. Guess not.

quote:

Not enough respect has been given to our city's past.



I fail to see how posting bland photos of decaying houses and buildings of marginal to no architectural value, while ignoring the redevelopment of significant architectural gems, is somehow respecting, honoring or appreciating the past.

quote:

And too much bitching about what is wrong with the city.



Really? So showing only decay is NOT bitching about the City? Pray tell, how is helpful to only catalogue wreck after wreck after wreck? Seems more like someone is engaging in a bit of schadenfreude.

quote:

To him he IS doing something useful.



And to me he's wasting time, money and resources.
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Susanarosa
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Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 4:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey, everyone needs an art project...
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Jt1
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I thought art was supposed to reflect some type of originality. This art project has been done to death.
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Skulker
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Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 4:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maybe he could make Lego replicas of the abandoned houses instead of working to restore the actual houses.
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Mackinaw
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Skulker, I agree that a lot of people can be interested in the inner city for all the wrong reasons. They would never live there, but they want to 'do something' because they feel 'guilty' and they need a 'project.' I'm involved with the Detroit Project at UM, and I do the cleanup/buildup in Brightmoor because I feel like I need to invest effort in Detroit to make the neighborhoods better, as someone who plans on living there and staying there, and because the people who live there should not be stuck in a poverty trap--they should be allowed to profit from their home ownership, and we can make that happen by making their neighborhood better and promoting infill, etc. They do not have the resources to go above and beyond; you need to work with community organizations to make it happen.

Having said that, let me say that many of the over 1,000 students who participate in DP do so out of 'white guilt,' or they view it as charity work that they need to do for their fraternity, or they view it as 'service learning,' which I think is the worst, because it puts the emphasis on what the individual can get out of spending some time in a poor neighborhood, rather than on the project and its goals as a whole.

I think its these sorts of symptoms, such as guilty consciences and using the city as a playground for learning/experimentation, that you are correctly decrying. I disagree with the belief that all/most photographers fall into this. If you are a photog from Detroit and you are taking pictures of what is around you, how could you fall into this demographic? I also believe that photography and the pursuit of new angles/colors/lights on a subject allows us to see what it around us in a new light, and to examine it more closely. It helps us to observe, to see what the problem is, to appreciate history, and to create a document/image that we can look back at in the future, when hopefully something better will become of our photographic subject. Most of all, you can regulate what is art and what is not, and you shouldn't try to, because art can be a force for good.
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Gtat44
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Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 4:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Welfare Queen with a Cadillac argument. Sounds to me you obviously know of the abuse of the system then.
A lot of restoring has been going on.
If you think he is wasting time, money and resources than take your opinions to a thread where there more constructive.
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Skulker
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Post Number: 3671
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 5:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mack:

Never said all / most photogs fall into this category. I am saying that there are a number that take mediocre pictures of their "journeys" of an overdone, and frankly, trite subject. I'm tired of it here and I'm tired of the fawning over it here.

If everything shit out of a camera is art, then art has none of the wonderful aspects you correctly extol. I'm not trying to regulate art. I am expressing my opinion about "art" that has been posted on this site. And frankly, the artist can choose to ignore, get his panties in a twist or push himself to think harder and deeper about what he is doing. You can't sharpen iron in mashed potatoes.

You can't refine art by saying everything is art and all of it is good.

Gtat:
Really? Restoring has been going on????
I didn't know that!!!!
I wonder if there is anything I can do to help out with it???

LETS DO SOMETHING!

Are you even old enough to understand the Ronnie Welfare Queen reference?
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Gtat44
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Post Number: 81
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 5:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As a matter of fact I am! I'm 43 and remember quite well, how well your buddy Jimmy Carter was able to get our people back from Iran as well as run our economy into recession. Understand that Iam a free thinker and voted for both Queen Ronnie and Bill Clinton...........the first time.
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Gistok
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Post Number: 3874
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 5:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

QUOTE: "Maybe he could make Lego replicas of abandoned houses instead of working to restore the actual houses"...


Lego Ruin


...been there, done that.... :-)

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