Post Number: 232
|Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 12:45 am: || |
Over the weekend, I took a day off and travelled to Wisconsin to visit some friends. I was able to see two major cities within the state, during the daytime and on the weekend, which is unlike most trips I take. Here are my observations. Arguing quite welcome.
Milwaukee versus Detroit
One of the things that strikes you is that Milwaukee doesn't really have any sky-scrapers. There are only eight buildings in Milwaukee that are over 100m while there are 25 buildings over 100m in Detroit.
Also notice that all but one of those eight buildings for Milwaukee was built after 1973 compared to 10 of Detroit's tallest buildings built in the 1920s and 1930s. This makes for a huge difference in scenery. If you're an admirer of any sort of architecture, you know that some of the oldest buildings found in any city are usually the most beautiful. Cases in point: Fischer Building, Penobscot Building, Guardian Building, David Stott Building, or the Book Cadillac (which is now being turned into condos and a Hotel Westin). Which is not to say that Milwaukee doesn't have attractive buildings - because it does - but it just can't compare to the roaring 20s boom that put Detroit on the map as a world-class city for a few decades.
Staying on the topic of buildings, I have to say that most of Milwaukee's are actually inhabited. Even walking around the CBD of Detroit you'll see plenty of empty buildings. Multiple buildings all stand completely empty: David Whitney Building (89m tall), David Broderick Tower (113m tall), Metropolitan Building (56m), and the Kresge Building. These aren't even counting smaller buildings or fronts that are boarded up.
Compare this to Milwaukee which looked, well, vibrant. I was downtown on a sunny yet cold Friday afternoon. People seemed to be walking around, just doing whatever. The streets weren't clogged, and parking spaces weren't terribly hard to find, but there was just this presence of people downtown. Also, their Downtown has more shops in it. Kitschy stores like Shoo or this store that only carried different kinds of paper and paper-related products. These stores might be able to flourish in Royal Oak or Ann Arbor but would never see the light of day in Detroit.
Another thing I noticed was the lack of surface lots in Milwaukee. You can tell by comparing the satellite imagery on Google Maps of Milwaukee to Detroit (both links removed due to formatting) to get an idea of what I'm talking about. I'm not quite sure why this is. Maybe there's more parking structures in Mil-town but working where I do and being able to see a wide area of CBD Detroit, I kind of doubt that. There seemed to be a lot more on-street angle-parking with meters bringing in money to the city, not a private entity which owns the lot or parking structure, as well as more bike riders in Milwaukee compared to Detroit.
Recycling. Milwaukee has a city-wide recycling program. Detroit does not. Guess who wins that one?
I noticed there were a ton of Irish pubs in Milwaukee and even moreso in Madison. Everywhere you went, Irish names with green and gold trim showing off Guinness and PBR to drink.
Beer is easier to get. They dispense this stuff like it's water. You can buy beer at a student union (at UWM), or at a Greek diner (we call it a Coney Island out here in Michigan), or even at Whole Foods where you can order a beer or a glass of wine at one of their kiosks. I'm quite surprised they don't offer pints of Strohs at McDonalds yet.
Continuing on the subject of beer, the state of Wisconsin does not allow the sale of alcohol after 9pm. You heard that right, 9pm. You can still be served until 2am but if you get out of your lame 2nd shift job working 3pm to 9pm or 10pm and want some beer to take home, you're fucked. Looks like you'll have to go to the one of many bars and get served.
More beer: there is TONS of breweries in Wisconsin. Truly, the only things to do in Wisconsin is to brew beer, drink beer, bowl, watch football, watch hockey, eat cheese, and fuck (more on this later) and boy do they like to brew beer. Here in Michigan we have Bells, New Holland, Arcadia, and then stuff coming out of local brew-pubs in southeast Michigan. Just to name a few, Wisconsin has Lakefront Brewery, Berghoff, Pointe, New Glarus, Capital Brewery, Lilja's, and Furthermore (I brought home all but Berghoff stuff).
They have some weird-ass street intersections. For whatever reason, they think it's completely normal that three streets should meet at one point a la MLK-Trumbull-Grand River in Detroit or Oakwood-Shaefer-Francis street in Melvindale. I counted way too many of these streets.
Traffic signals are in a weird position. They are on the other side of the intersection, which is good; it allows drivers to read it more easily waiting to make a left hand turn or just sitting at the line. However, they are not above the intersection: they are on the corners, maybe a foot above the crosswalk signs. To me, this is bad and good. Bad, as they don't really stand out. Large trucks or trees or other obstactles can easily block them out. Good, because if the sun is setting/rising at a certain time, you aren't blinded when you need to look up at the signals.
There's not really any graffiti in Milwaukee. This could be due to turning a downtown rail-ditch similar to the Dequindre Cut into a greenway or the fact that there aren't too many abandoned buildings for them to write on/in. Mil-town doesn't have too many well-known writers as it stands. If they do, I'm willing to bet half of them are metal-heads visiting Milwaukee's big yard on the southside.
Women are uglier. Yes, it's true: generally, the further north you go, the uglier people get. Spend a week down in Texas or Florida then spend a week up in Minneapolis and you'll know what I mean. While the difference isn't that huge from Michigan to Wisconsin, it's definitely noticable.
Lack of distinguishing food. Michigan has Meijers, White Castles, Faygo, Better Maid, Vernors, Sanders, and a couple other things I'm sure I'm missing. Wisconsin has.. uh.. cheese curds.
Looking to get out of Detroit but don't want to leave the rustbelt? Move to Milwaukee. Should be places just as cheap as Detroit close or even in, downtown. However, make sure to move there with a mate that is from somewhere south of the Wolverine-Hoosier line so that you aren't looking at ugly folks (such as myself). Keep in touch with friends back home so they can ship you wonderful Michigan food stuffs. Sell your car and buy a decent bike or motor scooter. Keep all of your winter clothes.
Post Number: 2584
|Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 12:55 am: || |
I've heard some of what you said before. Milwaukee seems too small to compare to Detroit. Madison seems like a larger version of Ann Arbor.
I haven't seen all the rustbelt cities, but I would think that Detroit is a more interesting and well-located rustbelt city than Milwaukee. If you insist on leaving Detroit but want to stay in the 'rustbelt' region, go to someplace which has shaken off the rust, like Chicago or Pittsburgh.
You can't move somewhere that you can't buy booze after 9pm.
Post Number: 2862
|Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 1:25 am: || |
You can buy carry-out beer at taverns in Wisconsin until midnight or later, depending upon city/town/village/county ordinance.
One should never take advice on important matters from tourists or, in this case, a foreigner.
(Message edited by LivernoisYard on March 20, 2007)
Post Number: 152
|Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 1:48 am: || |
Milwaukeeis close to Chicago so it's very well located. It seems like a town that is doing well integrating it's roots into a age. There's an emerging art hipster scene there that feeds of Chicago.
Check this out http://diggingpitt.blogspot.co m/2006/10/i-think-im-in-wrong- drinking-town.html
Post Number: 1049
|Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 9:05 am: || |
I would argue with it, except for I agree with most of it. Milwaukee's a vibrant and interesting city. We do have great architecture, just not in our skyscrapers. Milwaukee has some great places to eat. Milwaukee's downtown is actually a pretty recent invention; Milwaukee has things like big streets. There are numerous downtowns throughout the city. Milwaukee never really demolished anything old thank God. It really doesn't feel like a rust belt city, its very clean and largely safe.
Post Number: 5628
|Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 9:23 am: || |
Milwaukee and Detroit what do they have in common?
1.THEY BOTH LOSING POPULATIONS
2. Milwaukee is mostly white while Detroit is mostly black.
3. Milwaukee's downtown is quickly growing while Downtown Detroit is slowly growing.
4. Milwaukee's neighborhoods is diversified while Detroit's neighborhoods are a ghetto.
5. Milwaukee's unemployment is very low while Detroit's unemployment is very high.
6. Milwaukee's Public School system is improved a little with more diverse students while Detroit Public School system is wacky filled with a mixture of 1890s education and stone age cirricular activities.
7. People of Milwaukee can think straight while People of Detroit can't think for themselves too much.
8. Milwaukee's Racial boundries made to possible to keep blacks in north side and Hispanics in the east side and white is south side. while Detroit used to have racial boundries for blacks and Hispanics. But suburban sprawl and newer restrictive covenants keeps blacks from crossing further past 8 mile and east of Woodward Ave. to Lake St Clair and keeping Hispanics from reaching north of W. Warren Ave. and W. Grand Blvd.
9. Milwaukee has a terrible baseball team and basketball team while Detroit has a NUMBER 1 baseball, hockey and basketball team.
Post Number: 396
|Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 9:46 am: || |
Danny have you been to pontiac? Half of the apartment complexes are straight out of L.A. movies/shows It's like a fuckin little tijuana. The border is walton blvd is pretty much the "new 8 mile"
Post Number: 41
|Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 10:29 am: || |
I have been to Milwaukee. As for ghetto's it has them. Mostly white, not as much as you think but what does that have to do with anything. And as for a beautiful downtown Milwaukee has that. It also focuses on it's University, UW-Milwaukee. As well as it's heritage as a Beer town, Miller and Motorcycles, HD. Also Milwaukee has a excellent Art Museum and a great waterfront. All things Detroit has but doesn't focus on. We focus on Casinos.
Post Number: 1050
|Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 10:50 am: || |
1. Milwaukee has shaken the rust off. Milwaukee may be in the "rust belt", but so is Chicago. Both have gotten over that rough time, both are beginning to thrive again. I'll give what I think is a fair Milwaukee vs. Detroit
Detroit is better:
- Better skyline
- Denser downtown, has that cavernous feeling
- An awesome central square with great monument
- its close, but better architecture
- downtown stadiums
- Coney Islands
- great rust belt feel
- more museums
- more corporate headquarters
- Woodward Avenue
- The Book Cadillac
- better ruins
How Milwaukee is better
- far more redevelopment and construction in the city
- better universities and colleges, and more of them
- more service oriented economy
- safer, ¼ the murders Detroit has
- more parks
- sandy beaches, we preserved our lakefront and riverfronts
- better riverwalk, longer and with more businesses
- closer to Chicago
- largely full about 580,000 left from peak of 740,000
- far fewer abandoned buildings
- more nice neighborhoods, more money still in the city
- better high rise apartment district
- bigger Mexican population
Milwaukee does not have a good skyline, it's hard to deny. It's getting better, as we have 2 30+ story buildings planned for downtown and 2 recently finished. Downtown Detroit is an island surrounded by surface lots, Milwaukee's downtown gradually evolves into the neighborhoods.
I love Detroit, but Milwaukee's my city. I expect all of you to pick Detroit, but Milwaukee is a great city to live or to visit. Milwaukee is not a rust belt city. Gary, Cleveland, Youngstown, Buffalo, those are rust belt cities.
We have good looking women. If you're into black women, pick Detroit. If you're into white women, pick Milwaukee. 36,000 women college students can't hurt your eyes.
Post Number: 77
|Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 11:14 am: || |
having lived in metro milwaukee for 18 years of my life and detroit for the past 4 years i agree with all of the above. one thing that is really going to help milwaukee is the new high speed commuter line to chicago. people can't afford chicago and are all moving to wisconsin. the madison area is also close enough in proximity that the whole area is poised to become a large tri-city metropolis. if i would be stuck to chicago or detroit, i'd choose chicago. the whole state is shedding its manufacturing industry slowly and focusing on the biotechnology end of it. tons of biogenetic firms are popping up all over madison, they can't fill all the jobs fast enough. one thing milwaukee can trump detroit on are their festivals. detroit does that techno and country thing, but milwaukee has summerfest plus all the rest.
(Message edited by hybridy on March 20, 2007)
Post Number: 159
|Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 11:18 am: || |
Milwaukee's also got a good Amtrak line to Chicago. Really it sounds so great. Honestly, I regret picking Pittsburgh. I tried to do some research to find a good city for potential art type stuff, with low housing costs.
Pittsburgh didn't fit the total bill but it was pretty safe and cheap and sort of close to my family on the east coast and also State College. What sucks here is just the degree of isolation and backward thinking.Everything seems rigged by just a few people and the city is too small to atract interest to change it.
It seems like Milwaukee did it right and will only get better.
Post Number: 1778
|Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 11:56 am: || |
This thread has been informative, thoughtful, and not contentious. Impressive!
Post Number: 2585
|Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 12:03 pm: || |
I think Pittsburgh is awesome, Nyburgher, at least in terms of being vibrant and having an really cohesive urban fabric. I love the east-west drive into and out of the Golden Triangle. It's a beautiful downtown followed by a thriving midtown borough, with some really interesting neighborhoods throughout.
I can attest to what Milwaukee said, based on what I saw when Wisconsin played their football game in Ann Arbor last fall. Not bad.
(Message edited by mackinaw on March 20, 2007)
Post Number: 161
|Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 12:27 pm: || |
I think that the difference between Pittsburgh and Milwaukee seems to be that the main powers in Milwaukee seem to work to grow while preserving the urban fabric while the leaders here don't.
Everything is about mega- projects, subsidized stadiums etc.. Have you heard about Allegheny Center? The way UPMC has cluster F--d Oakland?The destruction of the lower Hill for the Mellon Arena? And they are still at it.
That's the tragedy of the town, the awesome organic stuff is not supported and cherished.
I saw the town and fell in love. But I was blind.
As long as the current leadership is in place it will just be bare survival here.Property taxes are very high and the best path for most people is to live out of town.
Post Number: 2586
|Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 1:19 pm: || |
I think I really understand, it's just that compared to Detroit and the love-affair past administrations have had with mega-projects which destroy urban fabric, Pittsburgh actually looks good in that regard. Starting in the 1950s we tore up our streetscape along the river downtown and built the 'civic center' of sprawled parks, gathering spaces, and the now-outdated convention center. Then we tore up insanely huge areas of traditional mid-density neighborhoods surrounding downtown for highways and needlessly expansive modernist housing and government housing projects. Things culminated with Coleman Young, who pushed for the RenCen (which is a lot better now after renovations) and the Poletown Plant (which destroyed a diverse neighborhood). Of course, Archer pushed for big ticket stadia and casino items, which have helped the Detroit economy at the expense of more urban fabric on the north side of downtown. And he committed the east riverfront botchery, thinking that the casinos were going to go there and buying up properties there (killing the life that was left and setting us up for the upheaval that is starting in earnest).
So, haha, compared to Detroit, Pittsburgh is a neat little city that's awfully intact.
Post Number: 1052
|Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 4:51 pm: || |
Pittsburgh is a great city. I think Milwaukee still has more renovation going on than in Pittsburgh. Those nice neighborhoods by Pitt and Carnegie Mellon are exactly what the east side of milwaukee is like. Milwaukee's east side is just a huge version of Palmer's woods and Indian Village put together with a couple high rises and a ton of restaurants. The west side is also very nice. Milwaukee is blessed with Olmstead parks and a great park system.
I have to say, Milwaukee is in better health than Detroit. Crime is lower and there is far less stigma towards the city from the suburbs. Plus we've got Chicago beginning to swallow us.
Nyburgher, I'd love to hear from you. I have lots to tell you about the art scene.
Post Number: 82
|Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 4:17 am: || |
milwaukee, i have to disagree with you. i've been to the city of milwaukee several times and i've seen countless beautiful women there. beautiful women from polish ancestries, german ancestries, irish ancestries, mexican ancestries, puerto-rican ancestries, scandinavian, you name it.
im not sure why you think that the further south you get the prettier the women get. i guess it depends on your taste in women.
milwaukee is quite a beautiful city. there are aspects of milwaukee that i wish detroit had more of. summerfest is pretty sweet too. and botanical gardens- the "triple tits", as the locals call them, i am told.
Post Number: 237
|Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 12:31 pm: || |
Revolution, I stated that. I've also brought this point up to others who have travelled or lived in the south and also have travelled or lived in the north. You're right that it's mainly a taste thing, and many stipulations apply (ie, restriction of geography when comparing) but I felt it's something that I noticed. Not to say there aren't beautiful people there, just that there's less of them in Mad/Mil than there are in A2/Det.
Someone talked about art and sadly that's one of the things I didn't get to experience there. Not just art museums but also galleries. Off the top of my head Detroit has the DIA, Mocad, and the CAID in addition to numerous showings at various lofts and warehouse units (if you know the right people). Not to mention an art school of pretty good caliber, CCS. The only thing I saw in Milwaukee was just their new art museum on the lakefront.
Not just painted art but what about the music scene? Again, this area has lots of great venues: St Andrews Hall, Shelter, Majestic Theatre, State Theatre, Harpos, and the Lager House are all in Detroit. Look to A2, Downriver, and Royal Oak and you have more venues. Plus you can't deny there's always tons of bands filling these venues and just the history of good music coming out of this area.
Milwaukee has.. uh.. not quite sure. They've gotta have some venues there but as many as Detroit? I question it.
Post Number: 291
|Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 1:08 pm: || |
I like Milwaukee. It's true there's almost no skyscrapers there except for the white Bank of America (iirc) building which is futuristic and in a different way than the RenCen. There are less surface lots in the core, although there is a massive one just to the south of the freeway which is in a sort of light industrial district. Where do the office workers park? I noticed there was one street west of downtown that was lined for many many blocks with parking structures, the most I've ever seen in a row.
Driving from Chicago to Milwaukee it seemed that there was only about 15 minutes of driving to get from undeveloped land to the middle of the city, the southern suburbs were quickly passed. This is in contrast to Detroit where you can drive south on 75 and development doesn't start petering out until you get to Toledo. Metro Milwaukee contains 1.5 million while Metro Detroit stands at 5.5 million (not including Canadatown) so it makes sense that Metro sprawl would be much less. Milwaukee used to also have that great New Urbanism mayor who did many great things for the city. Not sure who I would point to in Detroit for comparison.
Pistonian_revolution, I have noticed in Mexico and Central America that the further south you get the better looking the women are. I'm not sure this rule applies strictly in the Midwest but it may in certain parts of it.
Anyways, I was able to ride Megabus for three bucks each way (there were only a few other people riding) so I would say it was well worth
Post Number: 5060
|Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 1:16 pm: || |
In the 1930s, Milwaukee renumbered the houses and gave everybody a holder and ceramic numbers. Expecially in South Milwaukee, you can see them in place today. That is very cool. Portland, Oregon did the same thing in 1930.
Milwaukee has that Milwaukee River running through it with the old tanneries morphing into downtown riverwalks. They also do a nice job of opening up the Lake Michigan front to the people with a lakeside drive and parks, ala Chicago.
The use of terra cotta on commerical fronts is really nice downtown and the Boston Store's connection in a mega-blocks promenade is admirable.
Milwaukee has Frank Lloyd Wright and several other praire style architects from the early 20th century which enhances the domestic architecture.
Grand older neighborhoods are intact.
They still have neighborhood bars, and taverns. They still have neighborhood factories and workshops. They have a fleet of active Catholic or Lutheran churches and schools all over town.
Urban disinvestment is much less in Milwaukee than Detroit.
As for brats and cheese, beer, and pretzels, Detroit fogettaboutit. As for good pro sports, Milwaukee fagettaboutit. (Except for Bernie the Brewer, and Marquette basketball.) Nobody can make German food like they do.
Post Number: 203
|Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 3:31 pm: || |
I've only driven through Milwaukee, took a few minutes to get off the freeway just to see the area in and around downtown.
Just by doing that alone made me realize that Milwaukee is underrated and should be realized more on a national scale. Yes, it is small, but it is "complete" and established. It has a ton to offer. The best thing about the city I noticed, based on my 1/2 hour there was how well the neighborhoods interconnected the city and CBD.
It's a city connected by human scale and people where Detroit (bless her soul) is separated by massive arterials and wreckless driving.
Post Number: 81
|Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 2:10 am: || |
you can't argue with the level of urban redevelopment in milwaukee
i mean this puts detroit to shame
Post Number: 82
|Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 2:17 am: || |
two projects that stick out are the beerline b redevelopment along the milwaukee river
also the continuing redevelopment of the menominee valley
hint: sustainable design
not to mention the entire park east corridor
if detroit wants all the "she" used to be
take note of the smaller neighbors
Post Number: 1108
|Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 9:02 am: || |
"milwaukee, i have to disagree with you. i've been to the city of milwaukee several times and i've seen countless beautiful women there. beautiful women from polish ancestries, german ancestries, irish ancestries, mexican ancestries, puerto-rican ancestries, scandinavian, you name it.
im not sure why you think that the further south you get the prettier the women get. i guess it depends on your taste in women."
I don't have a problem with the ladies here. I likes um just fine. There are tons of great looking muchachas.
Post Number: 1109
|Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 10:00 am: || |
I'll talk about a couple things.
-Milwaukee has a great park system. Three of our finest parks were designed by Fredrick Law Olmstead.
-Milwaukee has acquired the funds for and approved a light rail system to replace busses in parts of the city.
-The Bradley Center
-The Repertory theater of Milwaukee
-The Pabst Theater
-The Marcus Performing Arts Center
-The Marquette Arts Theater
-The Boulevard Theater
-The Powerhouse Theater
-MIAD Arts and performing center
-The Milwaukee Theater
-The Alverno Theater
-The Modjeska Theater
Art House Cinemas
Also, metro Milwaukee has roughly 1.9 million people with 2.4 living in southeast Wisconsin.
Post Number: 511
|Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 10:22 am: || |
I liked Milwaukee when I vistied. I did find the downtown pretty quiet on a Saturday afternoon. But at night, the entire place just was packed with people going to restaurants, the live theatre, etc.
So I found that interesting. Quiet downtown during the day, packed at night.
Post Number: 7
|Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 11:58 am: || |
Mackinaw's right-I'll give you Mad City=A2 but Milwaukee is a poor comparison to Detroit on size alone-but that's also what makes the D's problems so glaring Detroit area's (& that's what we go by here) bigger than Pittsburgh-it's Top 10 so maybe Houston, DC or Philly come closest to troubled metropolises as comparative data goes Don't get me wrong-my cousins used 2 live in Milwaukee & it's a nice town & I've been going there for years & George Webb's the best hangover cure this side of a Coney
The better comparison by size is Milwaukee & Portland, OR-& P-Town nails Milwaukee flat; what with the 2050 Plan(Google it, you Urban Planning Geeks) & my God, even, no, especially the beer...
Post Number: 5114
|Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 1:06 am: || |
I'm from Milwaukee and I ought to know, it's draft-brewed Blatz Beer wherever I go.
jjaba on the Westside.
Post Number: 105
|Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 3:55 pm: || |
I was born in Milwaukee (much nicer than it was in the l980s) and grew up in the Detroit area, but the suburb of Waukesha is taking the Great Lakes water and diverting it from the basin. A very bad precedent for water grabs from, say, the Southwest. Waukesha drains into the Mississippi River, unlike Milwaukee. See the Great Lakes blog: http://www.daviddempsey.typepad.com (this is the correct URL)
(Message edited by swiburn on April 13, 2007)
Post Number: 921
|Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 5:31 pm: || |
I was in Milwaukee at "Wrigley North" watching a Cubs game last weekend. Honestly, I wasn't too impressed. Disclosure: I did not get around much, but the view from the lake shore expressway thing combined with the drive from there to Miller Park fell short of impressive.
This coming from a former Detroit resident.
Post Number: 143
|Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 5:48 pm: || |
Milwaukee's a beautiful city that I've visited many times, and quite frankly as a Chicagoan, it look's like a smaller version of Chicago that never quite grew as large. It's got beautiful churches and parks. Two must see's, are St Josaphat's basilica, and Riverside Park on the East Side, where you can feel your deep in the forest while only being less than 2 miles from Downtown. Church steeples, and old beer signs are everywhere. One thing I hate though, is the new ballpark. The view at the old Milwaukee County Stadium was way better.
Post Number: 24
|Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 10:15 pm: || |
The fact that Detroiters feel the need to compare themselves to Milwaukee while Milwaukeans do not feel the need to go the other way speaks volumes. (Kind of like Chicago's 2nd city inferiority complex to New York?)
Post Number: 297
|Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 12:50 pm: || |
http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne ws/nationworld/bal-te.milwauke e22apr22,0,7190921.story?coll= bal-nationworld-headlines
----interesting read on Milwaukee in today's paper.
Post Number: 1262
|Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 1:56 pm: || |
Milwaukee’s got its rough neighborhoods, no question. But name me a major American city that doesn’t. Every city has poor people and that just adds to the flavor of a city.
I’m just saying, don’t judge a city based on its worst area. It would be unfair to judge Detroit that way.
Detroit and Milwaukee are in no way alike. For one thing, Detroit is much larger. Detroit has a big city feel to it. Milwaukee really doesn’t have that. Detroit has 5 to 10 times as much sprawl and is far less dense than Milwaukee. Detroit has far more blight and disinvestment than in Milwaukee. Milwaukee’s rich never really fled the city. Combining Detroit’s nicest neighborhoods, would still be smaller than the land area of Milwaukee’s east side.
Compare Detroit to Philadelphia or Houston. It’s no fun, but its true. Compare a city to one of comprable size. I don’t see you comparing Detroit to Chicago or Washington. Compare Milwaukee to Columbus or Indianapolis, but not Detroit.
Post Number: 11506
|Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 2:18 pm: || |
one thing milwaukee can trump detroit on are their festivals. detroit does that techno and country thing, but milwaukee has summerfest plus all the rest.
We have a few more festivals that that here in Detroit.
Country Music Festival
African World Fest
African American Fest
Cinco de Mayo
St Patty's Parade
Fort Street Fair (or is it 4th street?)
Dally in the alley
This year the first festival for the week of 4th of July
Festival of Colors
...and probably a few others I missed. Once summer kicks off in full swing there is a festival nearly every weekend in Detroit
Post Number: 1263
|Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 2:46 pm: || |
Hopefully all of Milwaukee's Festivals
Asian Moon festival
St. Josephat's Fair
The State Fair
Indian Summer Festival
The Downer Avenue bikerace
African world festival
The WMSE street music festival
Westside Art Walk
Gallery night (every friday downtown)
The lakefront Festival of the arts
The Oakland Avenue bike race
Brewer's Hill bike race
Riverfront music festival
African World Festival
Arabian Nights Festival
Mitchell Street Fair
All those, not to mention tens of church festivals and tailgating before Brewer's games. Also, every Friday night, it is a Milwaukee tradition to eat a fish fry at your local church. That feels like a party despite the fact you have to eat fish.
Milwaukee is far more gay friendly and tolerant towards all of its people. I couldn't help but notice, most of Detroit's gays have left for Royal Oak or other trendy SUBURBS. Milwaukee has retained and embraced its gay community. Looking at our downtown and surrounding neighborhoods, you'll notice the difference.
Post Number: 298
|Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 3:06 pm: || |
I was surprised when I saw the article in today's paper. That is why I posted it. I lived in Milwaukee for five years and much of what you say is true Milwaukee. It is a nice town even with the few problem-areas.