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Urbanoutdoors
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Post Number: 141
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Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 10:37 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Someone told me that there is a river that runs under bagley anyone know anything about it?
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Master_debator2
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Post Number: 11
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Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 12:04 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've heard that as well. I think I remember (not sure if I'm correct) that someone was saying that their is an underground reservoir. This past summer there was a sink hole or something or other that was near bagley at some point, and water kept on pouring onto the street. Hopefully you find some more information out. Good luck.


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Bvos
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Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 2:06 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Paging MikeM, Paging MikeM!

Hopefully MikeM will arrive soon with his Burton Collection quality archive and answer the intriguing question of the post.
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Toolbox
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Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 8:06 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is the Savoyard River.
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Craig
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Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 8:38 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Don't know about a Burton collection, but I remember back when Comerica Park was going up that the News reported old survey maps had a couple of creeks winding through the area where the new park was to go. "Whereintheheckdidtheygo?" was the question, and I guessed that there were some long-forgotten conduits draining them away. It makes sense to me that Bagley, and lots of other places, could have creeks buried away but still flowing.
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Homer
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Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 8:47 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You are so right


From cityscapedetroit.org

Rivers
Though most of southeast Michigan is relatively flat, much of the existing topography of the City was significantly altered during Detroit�s development and it takes a keen eye to see this. Why is there a small hill on Griswold St. leading down to Congress St. in downtown? The Savoyard River (from which the former Savoyard Club at the Buhl Building got its name) flowed along what is the present day Congress Ave. before emptying into the Detroit River. Cadillac choose this promontory between the rivers as the location to site the original settlement. Much of the original bluff was later shaved off and pushed into the Detroit and Savoyard Rivers to create additional land and much of the Savoyard�s typographic features were eliminated.

Other rivers and streams have also just ceased to exist to due man�s interventions including placing the rivers in culverts while eliminating much of their natural typographic features. Examples of this loss of natural watercourses includes the Savoyard River, Conner and Parents Creeks. They have ceased to exist in their natural state. Of note, Conner Ave. follows the original course of the river which explains Connor Avenue�s non-linear path bisecting the two of Detroit�s three grids. Early Detroit can still be glimpsed at in Elmwood Cemetery where a small portion one of the early creeks still runs through the grave yard.
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Livernoisyard
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Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 11:23 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Baby Creek, which formed part of the boundary between Springwells (Detroit) and Greenfield (Dearborn), is another example.
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Urbanoutdoors
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Post Number: 149
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Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 10:39 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah I know all about the Bloody run that runs through elmwood. there was even a plan to uncover it so that there would be a river running through the east side but it was very costly.
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Gibran
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Post Number: 98
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Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 10:50 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Was there a creek by Denby...I vaguely remember remnants of a creek at the corner backyard on Wayburn and Britain, I also remember a huge project sinking a sub terrain sewer system in that area. my dad said our basement would flood because of a creek that was in the area...Any ideas...
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Patrick
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Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 11:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Long time ago we had a sweet thread on the Savoyard Creek. I think it was before the great server crash.
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Eric
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Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 1:09 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How big was this river?
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Mikem
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Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 5:49 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)






Gibran, your area was very wet land. Several creeks or ditches led from there to the Fox Creek and Milk River drainage system. Do you remember the year the sewer project took place? It probably was the Three Mile Road Sewer which leads from Morang down Wayburn to Britain to McKinney to Whittier to Evanston to Three Mile to Mack. More than you wanted to know, I'm sure.
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Urbanize
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Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 7:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

bump
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Focusonthed
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Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 7:49 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kalamazoo also had a creek which ran through downtown called Arcadia Creek. It was buried years ago, but was uncovered in the 90s as an urban renewal project. It's really done great things for downtown.
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Mikeg
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Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 8:56 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pontiac has a river that is buried beneath their southerly downtown area. Upstream and downstream, it is known as the Clinton River.
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Gibran
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Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 10:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No...Great info Thanks....I remember a small portion of a creek in a neighbors back yard...He had it dammed up...I swear I remember blue gills in his yard...that was over forty-four years ago,,,I remember the britain project it had to be enlarged to handle water since it was always following onto our basements when we had a great rain.... Thanks ...I do remember seeing a picture of the fields while they were building Denby (i was not around then :-)) and it looked like wet lands....

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