  Rampartstreetnorth Member Username: Rampartstreetnorth Post Number: 40 Registered: 07-2006 |
Outrageous! How could anybody live here? http://www.kvbc.com/Global/sto ry.asp?S=6266906 | ||
Rampartstreetnorth Member Username: Rampartstreetnorth Post Number: 41 Registered: 07-2006 |
And here's a list of all fifty states, ranked in order of danger by Morgan Quinto. http://www.morganquinto.com/da ng06.htm Note how many rapidly growing sunbelt destinations have a high danger ranking. If safety is an issue, then why isn't danger a stronger deterrent to growth? | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 326 Registered: 02-2007 |
Just ask the folks who live there. They must deal with hot deserts, Smog and dust, Salty Water, and High Crime. (Message edited by Urbanize on March 23, 2007) | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 1062 Registered: 08-2006 |
Not only is it dangerous, its also a tacky shithole! That's even worse in my opinion. The sooner Las Vegas is buried in a sandstorm and forgotten, the better. | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 1140 Registered: 01-2004 |
I'll say one thing... I just got back from my first trip to Vegas (Part of honeymoon), and I've never seen so many bail bonds places. What makes it worse is that they're all located in "downtown". | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 327 Registered: 02-2007 |
However, Nevada probably has a good Econony going for it also. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 1896 Registered: 06-2004 |
Amazing, huh? - so many think nothing of putting labels on other places until their own gets one, too.  | ||
Wolverine Member Username: Wolverine Post Number: 296 Registered: 04-2004 |
Very interesting list. | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 1211 Registered: 11-2005 |
This is based on crime only? What about natural disasters? That should be factored in. I was surprised Mich. ranked 12, thought we would be lower. | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 330 Registered: 02-2007 |
"This is based on crime only? What about natural disasters? That should be factored in. I was surprised Mich. ranked 12, thought we would be lower." That's mostly because we have poorer evacuations plans. Also, were an international border is also a major reason Detroit got one of the worse grades on the evacuation test. Nevada, only Natural Disaster (which is one of the worst) they have have to worry about IS Earthquakes. | ||
Jiscodazz Member Username: Jiscodazz Post Number: 8 Registered: 02-2007 |
Nevada is a hole. Wait until they run out of water. | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1470 Registered: 10-2003 |
I lived in Reno, Nevada for six years. Yes... it can be a very unhealthy environment in Nevada. The native Nevadan culture is... different. Interesting, but... different. They don't think like you or I. I would say that the ranking is not only based on Nevada's crime, but also the high incidences of alcoholism, drug addiction, and smoking, as well as poverty risk, quality of health care... things like that. It's basically a quite laissez-faire place (do anything you want, as long as you don't get caught; but if you do, then they will absolutely throw the book at you). Kind of a last frontier in many ways. | ||
Queensfinest Member Username: Queensfinest Post Number: 67 Registered: 08-2006 |
Las Vegas is the modern day equivalent of Detroit during its manufacturing heyday. Growth due to attracting mostly uneducated jobseekers searching to earn relatively good pay working in mostly unskilled positions. Is the casino, convention, and entertainment industry in Nevada sustainable? Probably more so economically than Detroit's one industry model, but the continuing sprawl around that desert town is going to lead to some major problems in the future. But for now at least, people continue to flock there for service industry jobs and it continues to be the fastest growing metro of at least a couple million in the country. Ah, Americans... | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1471 Registered: 10-2003 |
"Nevada is a hole. Wait until they run out of water." Well, I think that southern Nevada (Vegas and its environs) IS a hole, but I'm biased. I lived in northern Nevada and I'm a proud alumnus of the University of Nevada (Reno). Southern Nevada basically has to steal its water from other areas, like up by Ely and Elko, and Lake Mead is a reservoir too. It's a southern desert down there, part of the Mojave system. Reno is part of a different desert system; a high or alpine desert. No saguaro cacti up there. There's more water, too, from Lake Tahoe and the Truckee River. I think that northern Nevada, with Tahoe, the mountains around historic Virginia City, and the Carson Valley, is quite beautiful. Conversely, I feel that the Vegas area is butt-ugly and just plain hot. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 1897 Registered: 06-2004 |
Fury, Morgan Quinto tweaks FBI stats to get their rankings, usually just by weighting the violent crime categories (like homicide and rape) more heavily than the property crime categories. There's no judgment of healthcare, poverty, etc. They release these rankings every year. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 540 Registered: 04-2006 |
80% of the top 10 most dangerous states are also Red States... lol... | ||
Queensfinest Member Username: Queensfinest Post Number: 68 Registered: 08-2006 |
I wouldn't be surprised if in the next election or two, Michigan makes the transition to "red state" status. Since all of the young, educated, liberal, open minded people seem to be leaving the state in droves... | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1472 Registered: 10-2003 |
OK, Lilpup... but I'm pretty sure that Nevada is at or near the top (worst), per capita, in drug addiction, alcoholism, and smoking. | ||
Yelloweyes Member Username: Yelloweyes Post Number: 108 Registered: 02-2007 |
Here I come North Dakota! | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 541 Registered: 04-2006 |
"Since all of the young, educated, liberal, open minded people seem to be leaving the state in droves..." I doubt it. Two of the most liberal senators in the U.S. Senate got re-elected from there with no problem. It wasn't the young, educated liberals who kept Michigan blue in the first place... | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 1063 Registered: 08-2006 |
Yeah for Wisconsin! 42nd most dangerous! That's pretty safe. Not only that, we have interesting old cities, and lots of water! | ||
Lt_tom Member Username: Lt_tom Post Number: 165 Registered: 06-2004 |
I live about 2 hours from Vegas, and with the exception of Henderson, Summerlin, Lake Las Vegas, and a handful of other spots...the las vegas valley is a dump. | ||
Rhymeswithrawk Member Username: Rhymeswithrawk Post Number: 510 Registered: 11-2005 |
I dunno.... Washington state at No. 16? Hard to believe considering its population is so small, and it's biggest cities - Seattle and Spokane - are virtually crime-free. Tacoma and Olympia have crime, but not enough to rank it just below Michigan. Soemthin' fishy. | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 1064 Registered: 08-2006 |
"Hard to believe considering its population is so small" 6.5 million is small? | ||
Karenk Member Username: Karenk Post Number: 32 Registered: 07-2006 |
I grew up in Michigan, I now live in North Las Vegas. At least I have a good job and the house next to me hasn't been gutted by vandals. 5,000 people a month move here, a good majority of people who are turning in their drivers license are from Michigan, according to the NV DVM. I don't know how Las Vegas can be called a "dump", Lt_tom must be a snob. There are many nice areas aside from those he mentioned, which are pricey. I guess my $350,000 house is trash to him. You all are so cute, you defend Detroit with all you have, but boy, you sure don't miss the chance to beat up someone else's state/city even if you have never lived there, staying at the Super 8 downtown doesn't count. Detroit was once the murder capital of the U.S. if you will recall. We may be tacky, but we have jobs. | ||
Rhymeswithrawk Member Username: Rhymeswithrawk Post Number: 514 Registered: 11-2005 |
6.3 million people, according to the Census bureau (http://quickfacts.census.gov/q fd/states/53000.html), and growing. Wow. I had no idea it was that big. It has 11 electoral votes, so I guess it was smaller. I stand corrected. So 6.3 million people and 6.3 million meth labs. That must be the reason for the crime. | ||
220hendrie1910 Member Username: 220hendrie1910 Post Number: 66 Registered: 02-2006 |
I think it's interesting that Morgan Quitno Press has had its name misspelled so often that they've registered www.morganquinto.com as well. As for Seattle, having been there many times, I'd say "virtually crime-free" is not an accurate description. Virtually crime-free in Ottawa. | ||
Lt_tom Member Username: Lt_tom Post Number: 166 Registered: 06-2004 |
Karen, glad to hear you are doing well and have a nice home. However, since I currently live in Barstow, CA I know a dump when I see one. North Las Vegas aint all that great. Take a drive along Lake Meade east from the 15 and NLV is pretty trashy until you get around Hollywood Blvd. I must note that a lot of those trailer parks look like they are getting developed. Once you get by the hill then its alright. | ||
Lt_tom Member Username: Lt_tom Post Number: 167 Registered: 06-2004 |
Also, housing costs dont always equal a great place to live. With $350,000 you couldnt get a single family house in Compton, CA. Mr. snob | ||
Jiminnm Member Username: Jiminnm Post Number: 1216 Registered: 02-2005 |
We're number 3 !!!! We're number 3 !!!! and with a bullet. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 1902 Registered: 06-2004 |
quote: Jobs doing what? Who are your primary customers? If you're depending on average Joes and not CEOs or foreign tourists you're as vulnerable to a recession or depression as anybody in the country. | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 1065 Registered: 08-2006 |
"We may be tacky" Yes, Las Vegas is quite tacky. "but we have jobs" What? mopping up shit at a casino? Tourism is the economy, its a source of money for the uneducated who couldn't make it in Michigan. So if you're an idiot who can't find a low skill job in Michigan, head on down to Nevada! We've got lots of whores! | ||
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet Post Number: 134 Registered: 01-2007 |
Every time I see some uppity state (or city) nudging us out of the top ranking, I feel we need try harder. To bump Nevada out of first place, we need to stand up, and beat down! (no point here, just venting) | ||
Lvnthed Member Username: Lvnthed Post Number: 61 Registered: 03-2007 |
Let's lay off of Vegas please. As we retreat down that list, let us not forget where we came from. | ||
Dbc Member Username: Dbc Post Number: 36 Registered: 09-2006 |
The thing I don't like about the Morgan Quinto "Most Dangerous" studies is that they use six crimes (murder, rape, robbery, assault, burglary, and motor vehicle theft) and weight them equally. I know they're all crimes, but to me, dangerous = violent. That said, motor vehicle theft is NOT a violent crime. (Neither is burglary, but someone in your house stealing things without force while you sleep is close enough for me.) Anyway, Detroit has a very high rate of motor vehicle theft, so I think these studies always make our city (and state) look more "dangerous" than they actually are. I'm not trying to minimize how bad it sucks to get ones car stolen, but it is nevertheless not a violent crime. Just my two cents. | ||
Missnmich Member Username: Missnmich Post Number: 582 Registered: 11-2004 |
Washington state at No. 16? Hard to believe Green River Killer, Ted Bundy, etc., don't forget the Pacific NW is the serial killer capital of the U.S. | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1476 Registered: 10-2003 |
And Wisconsin was the home of Ed Gein and Jeffrey Dahmer. (Message edited by Fury13 on March 23, 2007) | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 1249 Registered: 01-2005 |
All the above comments are okay with me. I have never felt safer than in my home in Henderson, NV. And the worst places in the City of Las Vegas are better than most of the better places in Detroit. Here's my subsivision...Pulte Homes, by Del Webb.  | ||
Craig Member Username: Craig Post Number: 80 Registered: 02-2007 |
Las Vegas: I was there for work last year. Thought I'd take a walk to an outlet mall to buy my girl something for her birthday, so I started walking north up Las Vegas Blvd (I think it was LVB; The Strip, y'know?). I'm no chicken -grew up in a tough neighborhood on the west side- but 15 minutes into that walk I'm thinking "Craig, you stupid mo-fo, you're gonna get yer ass kicked." Whatever they call that area north of the Stratosphere is some nasty, don't-wanna-go-there-again sh*t. BTW - this was around three in the afternoon. | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 1141 Registered: 01-2004 |
quote: North of the Stratosphere is downtown Las Vegas, and man is it empty around there. Considering the proximity to the strip you'd think there would be more things around there. | ||
Craig Member Username: Craig Post Number: 82 Registered: 02-2007 |
^Wasn't downtown, downtown, or "the Fulton Street Experience" (maybe I have that wrong - it was damn hot and I was asweatin'). This was an area of abandoned stores, churches, bars, and hookers. Come to think of it, it was Fenkell but with a lot more sunshine. | ||
Lt_tom Member Username: Lt_tom Post Number: 168 Registered: 06-2004 |
Yep Craig you were in downtown Vegas, of which Fremont street is a small part. My guess is that things in that area will improve over the coming years, as land values rise and the newer casinos and condo towers push northwards along the strip, filling in the no man's land between fremont street ("Old Vegas") and the STratosphere/Circus Circus area. | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 1068 Registered: 08-2006 |
What are the main streets in downtown Las Vegas? | ||
Lt_tom Member Username: Lt_tom Post Number: 169 Registered: 06-2004 |
The big north/south roads are Las Vegas Blvd and Main St. Id say the boundaries of downtown would be the I-15 on the west, the I-515 on the north, maryland pkwy on the east, and Charleston blvd on the south. | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 1071 Registered: 08-2006 |
Thanks. I started a thread on Non-Detroit, I have a few more questions about the city if you're interested. | ||
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet Post Number: 142 Registered: 01-2007 |
Dbc, I hate to split hairs here, but getting jacked for your car is pretty distressing. I've been robbed at gunpoint and shot at more then once in Detroit. Before we were married, my wife had her apartment broken into by armed bad guys while she was home. (maybe ill start a True Crime thread). (Message edited by Bulletmagnet on March 24, 2007) | ||
Scottr Member Username: Scottr Post Number: 453 Registered: 07-2006 |
I think this study could be a bit misleading. They use the crime rate, based on the population I assume, but do they take into consideration the number of tourists? If not, this would naturally be weighted against tourist destinations, and primarily sunbelt states would end up near the top, just as rampartstreetnorth mentioned is the case with this study. This works against them in two ways - not only does it mean there are more people to commit the crimes, but generally i would think tourists would be an easier target for criminals. And Nevada, given the nature of its tourism industry, would especially be hurt by this. Their 'methodology' section does nothing to convince me this was taken into consideration. | ||
Dbc Member Username: Dbc Post Number: 37 Registered: 09-2006 |
Bulletmagnet, carjacking is robbery, i.e., the taking of property through force or threat of force. Thus, what happened to you would have been counted in Detroit's robbery number rather than motor vehicle theft, which is a property crime (as opposed to a violent crime). Generally speaking, burglary is also a property crime in that it does not involve force or intimidation. So, if the armed bad guys confronted your wife, it's a robbery, but if she was fast asleep, it's a burglary. Because I actually DO NOT want to split hairs, I have no issue with Morgan Quinto counting burglary as "dangerous," because someone in your house while you sleep is dangerous enough for me. I just take issue with their study because I don't understand how non-violent car theft is equal to rape or murder when assessing how "dangerous" a place is. I know it's just a study, but let's face it, people trumpet these studies, and national headlines that tout Detroit as "the most dangerous large city" certainly do not help. (As has been discussed many times on this forum, perception and image are big issues for Detroit.) I'm certainly not denying that Detroit has a serious crime problem - it does - but I was just opining that the inclusion of motor vehicle theft inaccurately harms Detroit (and consequently Michigan) in Morgan Quinto's studies. | ||
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet Post Number: 148 Registered: 01-2007 |
Dbc, your point is well stated. I think the study included car theft (non-violent) to add weight to the results. Thanks for pointing out the nuance | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2905 Registered: 10-2004 |
quote: Ask Milwaukee which high school in Milwaukee is the closest to the Oxford Apartments--home of Jeffrey Dahmer until nobody wanted to rent there anymore and it was razed. BTW, the answer to the above is: (MUHS) Marquette University HS. | ||
Rocket_city Member Username: Rocket_city Post Number: 204 Registered: 04-2006 |
Anyone know what downtown Las Vegas looks like? I know there is that crappy cardboard cut out of New York City somewhere, but does Las Vegas have a real central business district? Aside from the Stratosphere and casinos, I woudln't recognize the Las Vegas skyline...that is if it has one. | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1482 Registered: 10-2003 |
LV has an old low-rise downtown, separate from the Strip, that still shows some vestiges of the '30s and '40s. The center of downtown is Fremont Street and within the last few years, a canopy was put up over the street with electric flashing lights projected overhead and other effects, if I'm not mistaken. "The Fremont Street Experience," I think it's called. The old Vegas Vic sign is still there, unless it too has been a victim of what seems to be Vegas' ongoing attempt to eradicate its past. | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 358 Registered: 02-2007 |
Detroit also has a fairly low-rise downtown with just a few high rise (truly, we have no real towers) here and there. | ||
Lt_tom Member Username: Lt_tom Post Number: 172 Registered: 06-2004 |
This is downtown vegas  | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 356 Registered: 03-2006 |
Funny how all you Detroit lovers object when people "pile on" poor old Detroit, but you are totally willing to trash other areas with glee that are facing challenges. If you going to talk shit about everyone else, don't cry when others (truthfully) criticize Detroit. | ||
Steamaker Member Username: Steamaker Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2007 |
I moved to Las Vegas 20 years ago from Detroit and never looked back. It's funny to hear people talk about it when they haven't ventured further than the strip. There is more to Las Vegas than Casinos. Businesses are moving here every day. I work in the power industry where I make a very good living. I live near Lake Mead. And as for you Lt Tom. You live in Barstow. What could possibly be more of a sh%@#hole than that! | ||
Lt_tom Member Username: Lt_tom Post Number: 173 Registered: 06-2004 |
I concur that it doesnt get much worse than barstow | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 1252 Registered: 01-2005 |
Oh, I dunno, Barstow has the neatest McDonald's I've ever seen, it's in an old Pullman car. Like Steamaker, I've been here in the Vegas valley over 20 years. Last week I had a Jury Duty summons, so wandered about downtown Vegas for the first time in a couple of years. Never go there otherwise. The area south of Fremont Street towards the new court house is rather depressing, with bail bonds storefronts being quite noticable as a poster above noted. It is rather clean of litter and rubbish, though, but it just looks tired compared to most of the rest of the valley. By the way, the Strip is NOT in Las Vegas. The Strip is in unincorporated areas of Clark County known as Winchester and Paradise Towns. There is no connection to the Body Politic of Las Vegas whatsoever. You might notice what appears to be Las Vegas Police patrolling the area; that's because it's a metropolitan police agency that covers the whole county except for North Las Vegas, Henderson, and Boulder City, which have their own departments. Clark county covers just under 8,000 square miles. Compare that to Detroit's 139 square miles. And we're one of the SMALLER counties in the State of Nevada. I don't miss Michigan winters one damn bit with the grey skies, cold wind, and dirty snow covered with left-over salt. Michigan, I concede, is beautiful in summer, which this year is scheduled for July 10-19. There were only a couple dozen days this winter that were too chilly for me to read my morning paper on the back patio. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 542 Registered: 04-2006 |
"Michigan, I concede, is beautiful in summer, which this year is scheduled for July 10-19." LOL. Actually, in the past couple years it's kinda been more like Winter is scheduled for Jan 10 - 19. | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 368 Registered: 02-2007 |
"Actually, in the past couple years it's kinda been more like Winter is scheduled for Jan 10 - 19." Couldn't judge that the day we had thundersnow squalls on October 12, 2007, near severe (50 MPH) wind gusts with one particular squall and all the lake effect snow in between. | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 369 Registered: 02-2007 |
"Actually, in the past couple years it's kinda been more like Winter is scheduled for Jan 10 - 19." Couldn't judge that the day we had thundersnow squalls on October 12, 2006, near severe (50 MPH) wind gusts with one particular squall and all the lake effect snow in between. | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 370 Registered: 02-2007 |
What was even odder is that the sun was out and the air temp was 41 degrees and snow still managed to reach the ground. |
