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Jt1
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Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 3:58 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I see Gettlefinger is already stating that, if necessary they would consider striking. With all of the griping about executive and leadership pay I am curious how much he makes. How much does other UAW leadership pay.

I can't seem to find it on line. I would think that for the sake of transparency it would be publsihed.

Anyone have any idea? How hypocritical is he being if at all?
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Detroitplanner
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Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 4:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ummm don't UAW workers make Cars? :-)

Actually I would assume its pretty good dough.
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Jt1
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Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 4:06 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I meant more Gettlefinger and his direct reports and leadership team.

It seems hypocritical if they are going to rally against what the auto leadership make but not divuldge what they make.
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Jt1
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Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 4:15 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Never mind - found it. Looks like he makes about $145K. Seems to be pretty fair given his responsibilities.
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Lilpup
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Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 4:16 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

easier to find if you spell his name correctly - (EL not LE)

June 14, 2006 Car Connection:

The delegates also voted Gettelfinger a raise. Effective March 1, 2007, Gettelfinger's salary will increase by three percent to $144,733. In addition, the pay of Secretary/Treasurer Elizabeth Bunn also was boosted by three percent to $133,891 and the salary of the union's five vice presidents was boosted to $129,656
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Rhymeswithrawk
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Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 4:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What do UAW leaders make?

A. Too much.
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Jt1
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Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 4:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think given the responsibility that he has RG's salary is pretty fair. I would even say he is probably underpaid.
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Miss_cleo
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Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 4:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ok, may I ask? Why are you deeming the UAW leaders pay too much but I have seen some here defend the high pay of the CEO's of the car companies? Now they really are over paid.
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Rhymeswithrawk
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Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 4:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree with you, miss cleo.
For the record, I am a dues-paying union member myself. I pay my $20 a week and hope that the union actually does something that helps me for my money. Our contract expired in January, so we'll see, but so help me God, if there are major, major concessions, I'm leaving the union. Why pay dues if the union does nothing but cost you?
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Psip
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Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 4:49 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

John Gotti Says:

Gotti


"Shut up and pay your dues!"
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Perfectgentleman
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As a right-wing capitalist, I agree that some CEO's are overpaid, their compensation should be based more on performance. To guarantee them large sums whether they succeed or not seems non-intuitive.

They will say that to keep good executives you have to pay high salaries. True enough, but you can't say on the one hand the future of the company is in the hands of the executives and argue for a high wage but then when the company tanks you blame everyone else and grab your golden parachute.

The hidden cost of excessive salaries for top executives is that idiots like Gettlefinger use it as a negotiating tool by saying "management is not sacrificing so why should we?" It sends the wrong message.

Iococca had it right, take $1 per year until the company is turned around then cash in big later. Although management salaries from an actual cost perspective don't mean much to the bottom line, the symbolism is there.

Potential buyers may scoff at the notion of buying a car from a company that is at deaths door yet is lavishing management with huge sums of money, stock and other perks.
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Steelworker
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Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 5:12 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah I onder about my union negotiation that about to happen our contract is up may 3rd. My union is very inept, at least detroit area. I would like to know how much our leaders make.
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Jjaba
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Perfectgentlman, "if you can find a better car, buy it."

Sadly, a whole hell of a lotta people have found the door to the Toyota and Honda dealers.

Compared to other jobs in services and govt., the UAW salaries are bupkas. Plenty of people who don't produce very much make 6 figure salaries and think they are worth it. UAW officers have big weight to carry for a huge number of hourly working car shop johns.

jjaba, Westsider.
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Steelworker
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Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 5:39 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

anyone know how to find how much my union leaders make???
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Jt1
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Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 5:40 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would think if you are paying dues you should be able to call the union offices. I Googled RG but he is probably much higher profile and still only came up in 1-2 articles.
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Lilpup
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Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 6:04 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

you must still be misspelling - Ron GettELfinger

Labor Leaders' Salaries

Steelworker you are USW (or ISU)?
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Lilpup
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Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 6:06 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

President Ron Gettelfinger kicked off his union's bargaining convention Tuesday with a warning for companies: Just because we've cooperated in the past, don't take that as a sign of weakness.


Report on today's speech Union plots bargaining strategy
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Steelworker
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Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 6:20 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

United steelworker of america(ADD 12 MORE NAMES AFTER RECENT MERGERS)
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Cambrian
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145K is a lot less than 8 Million, which is the average pay for an upper level car company executive who also happens to be presiding over a cash losing businesses. And sorry, it's not to do with union wages either. The foreign plants in the US pay thier workers a premium to keep the unions out, and they aint losing money like the big 3 are.
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Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 10:32 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rhymeswithrawk,

Want to be fired for no reason? Try working at a non-union facility and then get back to us about that. Call somebody at the Oakland Press and ask how things are there. Unfortunately at your workplace the union is forced to defend you should you get into trouble, even if you decide to stop paying dues.
So you're in a lot better shape than your brethren at non-union represented shops.
It would be only just, if you decide to quit the union, that the union would no longer be responsible for you, you're an at-will employee totally.
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Oldredfordette
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Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 12:55 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's the happy circle, isn't it? If the union is weak there are concessions so people quit and the union is weak and there are concessions...

Everybody is going to take it up the hooha on health care and that is all there is to it. The companies will take the money saved and reward the shareholders and the CEO's. The people who work hard to make their companies succeed are left in the dust. All we have is each other.

Without a union, you could be escorted out of the building like the sales support staff at Detroit Newspapers were last November. After their lunch hour, they came back to find guards at their desks. But they got free boxes to carry their personal posessions with!
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Jt1
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Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 12:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

The companies will take the money saved and reward the shareholders and the CEO's. The people who work hard to make their companies succeed are left in the dust.



Wasn't ford giving profit sharing upwards of $10K just about 5 years ago? The UAW don't exactly get nothing when the company does well.
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Jt1
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Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 1:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ford profit sharing:


2000: $6,700
1999: $8,000
1998: $6,100
1997: $4,400

http://media.ford.com/newsroom /release_display.cfm?release=7 632

Seems to me everyone does well if the company does well.
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Lilpup
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Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 1:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ford's always treated workers better than the others - how about finding GM's numbers? GM's profit sharing rarely makes it lower than management.
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Oldredfordette
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The workers should share in the profits!


I am a Ford wife. I enjoy a good life because my husband was a UAW member employed at a Ford plant. We drive Ford cars. When they succeed, we all succeed. But when they fail, why should they continue to profit, despite the terrible decisions that caused the problems? If we sacrifice, so should upper management.

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