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Rsa
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 12:46 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i was flipping thru the channels last night and saw a special on detroit's very own pop-artist/punk rocker niagara's home in metro detroit.
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Finally, just outside Detroit, we meet a punk-rock songstress with a soft spot for vintage decor.


the show is called "offbeat america" on hgtv. link: http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/shows _hoba/episode/0,2496,HGTV_2245 6_45782,00.html
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Wash_man
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 1:47 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Another Detroit episode last night. I only caught the last five minutes. From the view out of his window, I think he's in the Park Shelton.
http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/shows _hmfp/episode/0,2756,HGTV_2337 6_45286,00.html
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Jasoncw
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 8:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Detroit was also featured on "what you can get for $400,000" (or whatever the show is called).

I had to go do something so I missed it, but from what I saw it looked like someplace in Brush Park.
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Supersport
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 8:42 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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i was flipping thru the channels last night...



Dude, just admit it, you regularly watch HGTV.
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6nois
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 9:25 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just saw a episode of house hunters in GPP.
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Pffft
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 11:49 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

When is Niagara's 15 minutes of fame going to be up? If her amateurish cartoons are considered "art" I'm a monkey's uncle...
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Dialh4hipster
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 1:18 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Uncle Monkey!
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Smogboy
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 2:35 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pffft, you might not think Niagra's stuff is art but obviously there are enough people out there that do. And that's okay too. You have every right to disagree. Everyone has their own take on what they consider to be good art (buy it and love it)/ bad art (hate it and wouldn't wrap fish in it)... but it's still art.
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Rsa
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 10:50 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

lol @ sport. ok, i'll admit it.

uncle monkey, you ever hear that art is subjective? or are you just starting to argue for argument's sake?
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Farrer
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 12:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can't we just be supportive of one of our own? I sort of know her, I like her and I like her work. It's not going to resonate with everyone but it's got something for sure. In a way, it's an evolved iconography of the "Crying Girl" of the 60's. They recall the Roy Lichtentstein benday-dot, Crying Girl comic book style paintings of the pop art era for me. Remember the corner-of-the-eye teardrop eye makeup, for those 60's historians who know that it pre-dated the teardrop tatoo. Think pretty blonde girl cartoon with tears welling in her eyes w/dialogue cloud "That's the way--it SHOULD have BEGUN! But it's hopeless!" ref. Art in America March-April 1966 issue. I was given an approximate eight year collection of AiA's including a half dozen hardcover bounds dating from the early 60's through the early 70's that I've gotten great enjoyment from. I just recently came across that article.

Niagra's work could be categorized as perhaps, the "Cruel Girl" icon. My brother gave my parents one of her works a couple of years ago. It hangs in their midcentury house in SE Florida along with an eclectic collection of posters and art. Instead of tears the eyes are steely and narrowed. Garish background color replaces the benday dots. The dialogue cloud contains "If I Want Your Opinion, I'll Beat It Out Of You".
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Pffft
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 12:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes I know Roy Lichtenstein's work, he's hardly obscure... that's why to me, her stuff is too derivative, not that good.
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Detroitrulez
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 12:50 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Your original point wasn't that it is derivative, but rather that her "amateurish cartoons" are considered "art."

so which is it? Either way, you're still bonzo's unkle.
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Pffft
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 1:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes I should have been clearer -- I love cartoons, Lichtenstein's stuff was very refreshing. Don't like hers.
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Skulker
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 3:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I dunno....
Lichtensteins stuff portrayed women as weak and useless without men. Graphically, it was refreshing for its time. Content wise, its now a little dated and quaint.

Niagara's work, while working in a similar graphic vein, portray women as very different people. Strong, independent, sexy, confident, dangerous...I find that refreshing.

Perhaps that is what makes you uncomfortable about her work? In it, women are not the objectified victim we see in most cartoons / graphic novels / comics.

(Message edited by skulker on April 11, 2007)
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Spacemonkey
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 3:06 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Isn't her husband's name Viagra?
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Pffft
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 3:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LOL I definitely have no problem with women portrayed as strong, that's not what I don't like about it. Look, I can appraise Niagara's art and find it lacking...art-wise. It's possible. It's just not that good, to my eye.

Considering all the ink she gets, I was underwhelmed when I saw it.

You're allowed to like it, and disagree with me.
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Rsa
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 4:08 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

her boyfriend is colonel galaxy (not joking-but i know you were). hey spacemonkey; is pffft your uncle? :-)
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Crew
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 4:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pffft, I don't care if you like it or not but "art-wise" is NOT a word.
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Farrer
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 4:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

All the ink? What, locally? I would hope she'd be getting some and hopefully positive, at that. Yeah sure the HGTV thing may be the work of a publicist

Is Pffft displaying the typical negative local hero-hate syndrome metroiters reserve for cult hero/heroines? Been discussed on these boards before...

I guess I can buy "underwhelmed" as it's obviously not earthmoving but I think it's working for her, as in selling so I guess you're not buying. Fine but by saying that here you're projecting negative. I'll bet you're not buying anything, period. Typical provincial attitude. No doubt if she were in an approved union you'd be singing her praises.

I went to the Miami Beach during the Art Basel/Miami show in December but I didn't get over to the convention center where they (C-Pop I presume) were. I went to the NADA and Pulse shows
and also the Containers on the Beach and was quite impressed with people, galleries and sales going on. Lots of Europeans, NY'ers, LA'ers, SO/Central Americans, both the galleries and attendees, plus locals. If the NADA and Pulse shows were any indication I'll bet they did fairly well at the convention center as the Juxtapose school, or whatever they are, would have been fairly mainstream at NADA and Pulse, where stuff ranged a little edgier or further outside. Lots of large and small paintings, drawings, video, odd, quirky, humorous, assemblages, models, robotics, etc. Big prices, too.

She's not with C-Pop anymore, I don't think. Maybe some forumers more familiar with the Juxtapose-context group could add to the discussion. Perhaps someone a little more knowledgeable and a little less negative than Pffft.
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Spacemonkey
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 4:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

C-poop
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Pam
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 6:20 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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When is Niagara's 15 minutes of fame going to be up?



Art appreciation is subjective but I agree with this part of Pfft's statement. We've been hearing about her for decades now. First time I heard of her was reading about her band in Creem mag in 79 or 80.
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Detroitrulez
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 6:27 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

why should they be up? she is still working, painting, having shows in australia, japan, san francisco,NY, Miami et al., and also appearing on HGTV....along with pieces in in Juxtapose. She is Detroit representing, front and center...so what's with all the haters? I mean, you could say that about any local "name." By the way, Niagara met Andy Warhol back in the factory days....so i guess the 15 minutes of fame quips have a certain ironic charm. But seriously, there are much more worthy targets in Detroit to which the 15 minutes of fame timer can be applied.
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Farrer
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 6:32 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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First time I heard of her was reading about her band in Creem mag in 79 or 80.



We were covering her artwork. It's a little more recent, as in currently. Oh that's right. We're only allowed one career, right?..... until it's over. Are you a teacher, Pam?
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Dialh4hipster
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 6:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, what's with all the, how do the kids say it? Player hating.

She is one of the bigger success stories in the Detroit art world. And she has stayed here! This ought to be a Niagara appreciation thread, she's done everything forumers on here bitch that people should do.
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Pam
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 6:42 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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We were covering her artwork. It's a little more recent, as in currently. Oh that's right. We're only allowed one career, right?..... until it's over. Are you a teacher, Pam?



I believe she was also doing art back when she was in the band, so that part of her career has also been covered for decades. No, I am not a teacher and not a hater, just agreeing that maybe she has been overexposed as a celebrity.
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Ghetto_butterfly
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 7:06 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I watch HGTV with a passion and my own place is a work in progress, has been for the last 2 years and will be for as long as I live here. I also saw the episode with Niagara and absolutely loved the interior decoration of her house, similar to my own style. I never heard of her before then, but then, I'm not from here. Where "outside of Detroit" is her house exactly, does anyone know? And, as somebody else in this thread said, Art is in the eyes of the beholder, personally I kinda liked the flamboyant style that was presented in the HGTV clip.
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Farrer
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 7:10 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Overexposed is Simon Cowell and his productions or Donald Trump, who exploit the migration patterns of lemmings.

She's an artist, not getting filthy rich and manipulating a little publicity to her advantage. This is how it's done. Remember Andy Warhol? He did something similar to this for, oh say 40 or so years as well as publishing a magazine, sucking up to the rich and overexposed and having his publicist feed his exploits to the media. Then he died.

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