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Iddude313
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 11:29 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Did anyone see this?
@ Jeff/Grand.
A lot of people protesting the contract work on Belle Isle for the Grand Prix.
They also have a giant Rat balloon thingy.
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Urbanoutdoors
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 11:31 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

there was something on here a few weeks ago that said they were protesting non union work.
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Titancub
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 12:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gotta love people upset and protesting a spurring of local economy and investment in a much needed public space such as Belle Isle.
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Dougw
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 12:37 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here's the original thread: https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/5/98959.html
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Nyct
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 12:48 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

growing up in NYC, the big rat was a common site on the streets of manhattan every time a union was protesting non-union work.
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Detroitnerd
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 12:49 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, we need investment in Detroit. But don't forget that though investment may "spur" something called "the economy," it can still degrade and harm the quality of life for the people who live here. And unionbusting drives down the higher wages organized workers can demand. Thus it degrades the quality of life.

I mean, where does it end? What do we invite into our communities in the name of "spurring investment." It sounds great on paper, but when they build the prison (or incinerator, freeway, airport, speedway, etc.) near your house, and use non-union labor (or prison labor, chain gangs, sharecroppers, indentured servants, etc.) to do the work, you can be sure you'll feel the degradation of your quality of life.

And, when it comes to framing things in terms of "business" and "investment": What businessman would accept any "investment" from anybody posing as a "partner" in their business. That's hilarious. The big joke about businesspeople is that they can't even trust *each other*! Why are the people supposed to not raise a fuss when they see a public deal (from a supposedly publicly accountable entity) they don't like?

It all boils down to the same crummy story: The rich get to live where they want, and make all the decisions about what goes on around them. The poor get to slavishly lick the heels of anybody who would "invest" in them, whether it's a fair deal or not.
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Oldredfordette
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 12:53 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The big rat is hilarious.
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Susanarosa
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 1:01 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Anyone shop at the Staples on Jefferson?

That was built with non-union work.
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Gravitymachine
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 1:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the contractors on the project should bring in a larger inflatable cat.
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Oldredfordette
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 1:03 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No, I don't.
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Eastsidedog
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 1:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gravitymachine, LMAO! :-)
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_sj_
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 1:59 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why should Penske be any different than the rest of you who do not pay top scale union wages when you have work done.
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Detroitnerd
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 2:49 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

_sj_: I notice the issue for you is wages, not union membership. (You talk like management.)
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Iddude313
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 2:52 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

an inflatable Mayor?
oh wait...we already have that.
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Johnlodge
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 2:59 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It seems to me if workers have a problem with their wages or work conditions, they can join the union or unionize. Apparently these workers don't. Apparently these workers are happy to have a job in a depressed economy. Perhaps the noble thing to do is for them to sit and home and not buy groceries.
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Detroitnerd
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 3:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mendacity, false choices, straw men, disingenuousness. Man, do we need a beginner's rhetoric class around here.
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_sj_
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 3:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

I notice the issue for you is wages, not union membership. (You talk like management.)



Wages are always the issue, people want the highest pay possible, but do not want prices to increase or pay for something on the same scale.

Every have Ceramic Tile work done by a union mechanic, probably not because you would not pay their price by they hour. But complain when others do the same.
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Boynamedsue
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 3:43 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"And unionbusting drives down the higher wages organized workers can demand. Thus it degrades the quality of life."

And it also increases the quality of life for the ones who are working--they have a job.

What is 'having a better quality of life'?-- working and earning a decent wage or being out of work, sitting on your ass telling yourself you deserve more money.
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Skipp
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 4:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

UNION PRIDE IN A UNION TOWN!!! NO SCABS!!!
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Kimistree
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 5:45 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"And it also increases the quality of life for the ones who are working--they have a job."

Having a job doesn't mean you have a good quality of life. Especially if that job is paying low wages.
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Schulzte1
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 5:52 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I saw the Rat Ballon thingy at MSU yesterday. They were picketing something. I was wondering what the hell it was!
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Quozl
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 6:04 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Screw Unions!

Union officials have abused the trust of their members. They've misspent member dues and harmed the very same people they promise to protect.

In 2005 alone, federal racketeering investigations resulted in 196 convictions against union officials and employees and $187 million in fines. Union tactics -- including deception and intimidation during organizing campaigns, strikes that hurt members more than they help, spending mandatory union dues on radical political agendas, and the use of anti-democratic voting practices -- are long overdue for exposure.
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Boynamedsue
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 11:00 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kimistree--

I didn't say it means you have a good quality life. It means you have a job, which is better than not having one. Look at how many uneducated, unemployed people we have in our city. Their opportunities are pretty limited. A job is a job. If we want to keep up the mentality that those people are too good for low paying jobs then we can continue to stay in this rut. What motivates people to work hard is knowing the fact that if they do, they can move on up (find a better job/position) and in turn, improve their quality of life. Free rides are not just given out... most of the time.
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Dougw
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Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 11:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

And unionbusting drives down the higher wages organized workers can demand. Thus it degrades the quality of life.


You are correct that whether it degrades the quality of life of society as a whole is the important question. But the answer is no, it doesn't degrade quality of life, in my opinion.
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Skipp
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Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 12:12 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Free rides? What the fuck are you talking about? I'm in a union and was never given a free ride. I've busted my ass building detroit. You anti-union fucks need to get a clue!
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Quozl
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Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 12:26 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Screw you skippy and your union. I got a clue, labor unions SUCK, their time and usefulness has passed here in the United States. You can thank your "union" for driving a majority of manufacturing here in the USA overseas skippy.

Busted your ass "building detroit"? From my viewpoint, it looks like you did a horrible job cuz it still looks like a 138.7 square mile shithole.
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Skipp
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Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 9:27 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey tough guy, so you are saying downtown looks like a shithole?
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Gravitymachine
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Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 9:31 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

shouldn't you be working skipp?
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Boynamedsue
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Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 11:01 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Skipp, then go join the protestors... see how far that gets you... And while i'm trying to get a clue, the rest of the unemployed union can continue to try and get a job.
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Detroitnerd
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Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 11:46 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sock puppet?
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56packman
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Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 1:01 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Have they ever parked the big inflatable rat outside a Walmart? Seems as though they could just install one there, keep it out front 24/7 No, instead they are going to attempt to shakedown small and mid-sized contractors into hiring them.
All you pro-union boosters: When your furnace at home dies do you seek a union contractor to replace it or do you shop price and reputation?
Do you seek union represented companies in your other household improvements/expenditures?

No, I didn't think so.

It's a big world out there. People like to have options. Your way hasn't been supplying the best product for the price (for about four decades now) and as your numbers shrink there are fewer people who are sympathetic to your cause.
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Skipp
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Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 1:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Boynamedsue- Yes, you do need to get a clue. Do you actually think the union workers are the only ones unemployed in this state. Give me a break.
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Boynamedsue
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Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 1:24 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

amen
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Skipp
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Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 3:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gravitymachine- shouldn't you be working? Sorry, i'm off to the keys to go fishing. Have a good weekend-rats.
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Detroitnerd
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Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 3:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

At least it's easier to know which posts to skipp.
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Gumby
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Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 3:59 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hell I hate unions and I am a member. F@#$ing UAW taking my money and offering me no protection.

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