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Supersport
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http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/s tory/5117306
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OK, now we're waiting on that "Millen Is Fired" headline.
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So I'm guessing the Fords came in to town late last night ? Mooch gets 10 million to sit on his ass for 2 years ? I'd be smilin'.

No way can you let Millen pick another coach. Can you ?
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Until it makes the local papers, I'll hold my breath... with all toes and fingers crossed.
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Ok, I take it back. It's all over the net now. NA-NA-NA-NA NA-NA-NA-NA HEY HEYYY GOODBYE!

Now FIRE MATT MILLEN!!!!!
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Thread consolidation... Ssport's was first and in the Lions superthread, but I have moved it out here for now as it is big hot news.

Agree on the Millen issue.

Hey how abou Gary Moeller? The last winning Lions coach? ")
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Lowell, they should have kept Moeller all along, he was the best man for the job;now he is too old probably.
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Marriuci will be taking the job at MSU as head football coach

Bye Bye John L. Smith
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The Fords can't sell cars nor win football games.

That Thanksgiving game on natl. tv was a clincher. We gave the whole world a look at the Lions, hosts for the Super Bowl.

Call Bobby Layne and Doak Walker. They'll tell you how to win on Sundays.
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quote:

Marriuci will be taking the job at MSU as head football coach

Bye Bye John L. Smith


Hello John L. Smith, new Lions coach! It's a natural.



A word of caution for the optimistic, there's absolutely no reason to think that THIS personnel change will result in anything other than what the previous personnel moves have brought -- more games in the "L" column.
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Give me a break about Moeller, did you see anyone scramble to hire Moeller as a head coach after the Lions cut him loose? The guy was a mediocre college head coach.

There really is no hope for this franchise unless the Fords sell the team. I thought this last coaching choice might have worked out, as the Lions had always named stooges like Fontes and Darryl Rogers as head coaches. Mariucci had experience as an NFL head coach and it didn't work out. He rode the dying west coast offense all the way to the unemployment line.

Now, the Fords have only done half the job. Various sports columnists have written that Ford gave Millen an extension because he bought all the pre-season hype and thought this was going to be the year. That and he likes Millen personally. Sorry, but giving huge contract extensions based on someone kissing your ass at dinner and what might happen in the upcoming season indicates that this owner doesn't have what it takes to produce a winner.
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Jacksonville hired him as their defensive coord and it was an absolute disater.
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ESPN.. more specifically Dan Patrick is tearing apart the Lions organization from top to bottom. Painful to hear, but maybe.. just maybe the negative pub will set things right.

I can hope.
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Hey...anyone notice the HUGE brain-fart on the www.Freep.com and www.DetNews.com sites? Its running like the internets stuck in molasses...think this news has anything to do with it? ;)
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So why did the Lion's pass on Dennis Green? Hmmm...maybe Millen rings a bell? So this is two coaches under him gone before the end of their contract.
I guess it doesn't really matter who the Lion's bring in. This Org. is so inept that not even Parcells could get a decent season out of this franchise.
...and around and around we go. Where the Lion's will stop we all know...in the basement!

BTW: The O-line Co-ordinator and the Tight-End coach are rumoured to be outta here too. Good riddance! Now, get Holmgren (if Seattle pooches the season) or Dennis Green, please! I bet it will be Mike Mart...and the saga of the pitiful Lions will continue.
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What is all this Dennis Green talk? He sucks and is ten times more divisive in an organization. The Last thing the Lions need is Dennis Green... or Mike Holmgren.
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Detroit, MI (AP) - A seven-year-old boy was at the center of a Wayne County courtroom drama yesterday when he challenged a court ruling over who should have custody of him. The boy has a history of being beaten by his parents and the judge initially awarded custody to his aunt, in keeping with child custody law and regulations requiring that family unity be maintained to the degree possible.

The boy surprised the court when he proclaimed that his aunt beat him more than his parents and he adamantly refused to live with her. When the judge then suggested that he live with his grandparents, the boy cried out that they also beat him. After considering the remainder of the immediate family and learning that domestic violence was apparently a way of life among them, the judge took the unprecedented step of allowing the boy to propose who should have custody of him.

After two recesses to check legal references and confer with child welfare officials, the judge granted temporary custody to the
Detroit Lions Football Team, whom the boy firmly believes are not capable of beating anyone.
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Runner, who would you prefer? Posting about coaches who have no substance without an argument to back up your point is easy to do.
What would you like to see happen?
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quote:

Lowell, they should have kept Moeller all along, he was the best man for the job;now he is too old probably.




No, he's just too damn drunk for the job.
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Who the hell would want to coach the Lions? Seriously, this organization absolutely ruins the reputations of previously good coaches.

Coaching the Lions will be even more of a tough sell now that this has happened.

Although no longer a fan of him, Mooch had a great reputation in this league before he came here, 2 years later his reputation is tarnished because he dirtied his hands with this garbage organization. Why would another high-profile coach even think of coming here?
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Jim Tressel!

Two birds with one stone. Make the Lions winners; OSU losers. :-)
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Okay, NOW they're going to start winning! This should get them "over the hump"! Maybe this will inspire the veterans! Light the fire under their... Rally the... Give them something to... OR, maybe they will stumble to a 6-10 record this season, start next year with a new head coach, and “make progress” by going 7-9 next year. The only way the Lions will make the playoffs in the near future is to successfully lobby the NFL to either expand the playoffs to 28 teams, or put the Lions in their own division.

Check out espn.com’s voting about this event! Wait ‘til 2009? Or later.

Who will be the token minority interview candidate?

I doubt firing John L. would do anything for the Spartans next year. They need self-esteem classes more than yet another new coach. They need to ask their team doctor about Zoloft.

Is it odd that both Wayne Fontes and George Perles were tarred and feathered before they got booted out of town, and neither the Lions or the Spartans have had much success (excluding the Spartans' 10-2 Citrus Bowl season) since?
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fast writer:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c om/2005/writers/don_banks/11/2 8/mariucci/index.html
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They should interview the top 5 African-American coordinators in the league and hire the best one. We'll still suck, but at least we will have done something right for a change.
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Why does it have to be African-American? Why not the best for the job? Make the Coach answer to no one but themselves?
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Hiring based on race is doing something right?

Ok, Mr. Segregationist.
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HIRE A NATIVE AMERICAN NOW!!!!
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"Why would another high-profile coach even think of coming here?"

Agreed, the Lions head coaching job is a grim reaper. Someone will take it for the money, but it will be his last head coaching job for sure.
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We need cornbread in the coaching position to offset the Lions constant desire to have balding white dudes play in their secondary.

Seriously, Jauron is your coach. It might have even been the plan all along. I doubt the differences between Mooch and Millen surfaced just this year.
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Sorry Supersport......I don't think there are too many Native Americans in the coaching pool.
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What a nightmare the Lions are!! New coaches, new GM's, new players --- same stuff!

I was a BIG Mooch fan, but I have to admit, the Lions looked uninspired and ill prepared musch of the time -- that is coaching.
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Jauron is pathetic! there is a reason he is not a head coach anymore. Only the Lions...

Bobj, I agree on all fronts.
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Ahhhh yes Jim Tressel....


quote:

In 2002, Ohio State literally came from out of nowhere to capture the school's, and the Big Ten's, first consensus national title since 1968. Recall that UM was NOT a consensus title winner in 1997 The Buckeyes achieved the elusive title by posting a 13-0 regular-season record and then upsetting top-ranked Miami in the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl in a 31-24 double-overtime thriller, becoming the first Division 1A school ever to record a 14-0 campaign.




Sending him to the Coaching Hell that is the Lions is just sour grapes there Lowell. Perhaps Droopy Dog Carr ought to be sent to the Lions as punsihment for this past dismal season....
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Weirdest press conference on earth. I thought Millen was going to cry. And Jauron looks like a vulcan or something...
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I like this quote from Jeff Backus:

"Something had to give, I guess," Backus told The Associated Press. "It's not my job to judge whether Mariucci did a good job or bad job, but we're in a bottom-line business and our bottom line hasn't been very good."

Yeah, and your pass and run blocking hasn't been good either. Another of Millen's draft busts.
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supersport....lmao :-)
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Wow Skulker you are one classy motherfucker.1St you call Moeller a drunk then you have disparaging remarks about Carr.....I thought this was about the Lions not your personal insecurity.....
As for Moeller I stand by my post.He was the best person for the job at the time.Reflecting on how the team has done since then indicates that this is not really a novel observation,
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There was some mysterious white powder in the Lions locker room after the Thanksgiving Day game.
They did a huge chemical analysis, results just in.

The results came back it was the fucking goal line. Nobody had seen it all season.

jjaba, Joe Schmidt or Les Bingamon for new Coach.
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This is no surprise. We all saw this coming. Now we need to see Millen go. Hopefully, the Fords can find a good team president and coach for the team in the near future.
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Good column:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn /columns/story?columnist=wojci echowski_gene&id=2239836
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YAY!! Goodbye Mariucci. Now who's next to coach the Lions? And it better be a good one.
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The Lions fired a Mooch and hired a Dick!! LOL, very fitting!!
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Maybe they can get some Tuna
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a couple of notes.....

Denny Green was the best coach available when Morniweg got canned. The Lions didnt event talk to him.

-People forget that Izzo and Mooch are best friends and that they have always wanted to be head coaches at the same school. Can anyone say pressure on the MSU Atheltic Director?

-Mooch is a Michigan Native and wants to be here

-There is more than enough dissatisfaction with John L. Smith to let him go

-Add that up with the trend of NFL coaches decending to college ranks and having great success (see Charley Weis at Notre Dame and Chan Gailey at Georgia Tech)
and you have Mooch at MSU.

Here is Mooches' Michigan Bio FYI
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As a Division II star at Northern Michigan, he quarterbacked a program to one of the most remarkable improvements in the entire history of college football. In 1974, Mariucci saw limited time as a freshman as the team struggled to a 0-10 record. The following season, Mariucci was inserted as the starter at the beginning of the year following injuries to four quarterbacks ahead of him. As a first-year starter during his sophomore campaign he led the team to a 13-1 record and claimed a Division II National Championship. Mariucci claimed All-America honors twice (1976-77), was voted team MVP three straight times (1975-77) and established 14 school passing records before he graduated.

In 1988, Mariucci was honored by the university that he led to greatness in the mid-1970s when he was inducted into the Northern Michigan University Hall of Fame. Seven years later, he was a 1995 inductee into the Upper Peninsula of Michigan Hall of Fame.

Mariucci is well known in Michigan circles because of his long-time friendship with Tom Izzo, Michigan State’s head basketball coach. Mariucci and Izzo were teammates and co-captains in football, basketball and track at Iron Mountain High School. They were roommates at Northern Michigan and were members and captains of the football (Mariucci) and basketball (Izzo) teams. Each accrued Division II All-America honors in their sports during their college careers.

In fact, Mariucci and Izzo are co-hosts for the IM Classic, a charity golf tournament in Iron Mountain, each summer to raise funds for Iron Mountain H.S. and I.M. (Iron Mountain) Charities.

Other charity events and organizations have benefited from Mariucci’s involvement. In June 2004, Mariucci revived his annual Bocce Ball charity, as he hosted the tournament for the first time in Michigan. The charity event, which was held at the newly-opened Palazzo di Bocce in Lake Orion, included such celebrities as Larry Brown, Barry Sanders, Dave Lewis, Bo Schembechler, George Perles, Leann Tweeden, Izzo and other former Lions. While in the Bay Area, he hosted the annual charity tournament that included John Madden, Danny Glover, Willie Mays, Brandi Chastain, Johnny Moseley, George Seifert, Peggy Fleming and 49ers’ greats.

Mariucci is also a supporter of Boys and Girls Club, March of Dimes, Catholic Youth Organization (CYO) and United Way.

Born November 4, 1955, the Iron Mountain native and his wife, Gayle, have four children: sons, Tyler, Adam and Stephen, and daughter, Brielle.


http://www.detroitlions.com/bi o.cfm?cont_id=161876
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Mark my words, Mooch is a Spartan in the making
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You are forgetting one key thing, Mooch sucks as a coach!
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So did Pete Carroll.

And June Jones, Denis Ericsson, Chan Gailey, Steve Spurrier, Bill Callahan.

Well, Bill Callahan still sucks, but the rest have gone from sucky pro coaches to brilliant college coaches.
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Can we declare the west coast offense dead now? That offense has taken down more pro and college coaches than any trendy system I can remember. If the Lions are going to take advantage of Mike and Roy Williams, Scotty Vines and Kevin Jones, they need a power running game with more play action. Oh, but they need an offensive line first. Oh, and a quarterback.

What a mess.
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What about Charles Rogers? His abilities are the chronic man! LOL From what I was told last night, the QB coach is now calling the offense and the offensive coach was demoted to TE coach. Apparently the QB coach called the offense two games last season, both games in which he really opened up the offense and Joey had a couple of his best games ever. I can remotely remember one of those games, as I can recall the commentators taking note that somebody else was calling the offense. Lets hope these last few games we atleast see some positive change and proof that Joey's career can be saved after being tarnished by horrible play calling.

Apparently Rush Limbaugh even got talking about the Lions yesterday. I was told that he said the practices were a frickin' joke. That a good number of the players didn't even show for them. Maybe there was more truth to the rumors that Mike Williams was skipping practive even after the season started. Seems to me like Mooch was running quite the circus and had long lost all respect from the players.
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You mean the same Rush Limbaugh who claimed that Donovan McNabb is overrated because he's black? That fat man doesn't know anything.
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Actually, he said the media was starving to see a black qb be successful, or something like that. I'm sorry, but as long as you are Millen's biggest cheerleader, I can't take your comments seriously.
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Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 3:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I loved the last few games last year where Joey was allowed to air it out. Olson should've been allowed to call the plays from the start but instead we've been stuck with Mooch's unimaginative play calling. As far as I'm concerned, every Lion is auditioning for a job now. Are there any Lions that are untouchable in the off season?? Possibly Roy Williams and maybe Shaun Rogers??
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Atl_runner
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Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 5:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't know about anyone else, but I am actually looking forward to the upcoming game like it is the season opener. Just hoping for some sort of difference hopefully in the form of positive results.
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Czar
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Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 5:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/ columns/story?columnist=smith_ michael&id=2240498

"Don't get me wrong. By no means was Mariucci the only person at fault for the Lions' failures. For the sad state of affairs in Detroit, blame is like the food on my mother-in-law's kitchen table last Thursday: There's plenty to go around. Bon appetit: the Ford family for hiring Millen and giving him an extension for doing nothing. There's Millen for going through two coaches and making poor choices in the draft and free agency. I mean, how do you miss -- and not just miss but miss badly -- on the third (Joey Harrington in 2002) and second (Charles Rogers in 2003) overall picks of the draft in back to back years? Millen hit on Roy Williams, while Mike Williams is growing into a tight end. In addition, there's the coaches. Harrington. The trio of overhyped receivers. The offensive line. The defense."
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Smogboy
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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 3:48 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Atl... I'm inclined to agree. I think that now that the Lions have absolutely nothing to play for other than auditioning for a job, they'll bust ass. And while not wanting to duplicte super_d and his cornbread machine, I think the Lions will win this Sunday.
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Czar
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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 8:50 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Put down the Lions crack pipe and back away from the computer. Don't buy the false hope, the Lions will lose on Sunday.
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Atl_runner
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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 11:17 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LOL.. that's good. 'the Lions crack pipe' .. A LOT of people smoke from that one. Myself included.

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