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Post Number: 9943
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| | Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 11:54 am: |    |
sj - I must have miunderstood your first post. |
Susanarosa
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Post Number: 1653
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 11:59 am: | |
Jt1 -- In high school a girlfriend was driving three of us to a classmates house at Joy and Southfield when we got pulled over.
They thought we were there to buy drugs. We were there for a Christmas party at our friend's house.
Guns drawn, had to put our hands out the windows and everything. Looking back it was super silly. The cop telling us he's not racist since his wife is white, telling us that he could take us down the street (that my friend, who was Irish, lived on) and show us the IDs on the ground of all the white kids who were killed there while buying drugs. But they managed to scare the crap out of us. Which was their intent.
We had a great story when we got there though. |
Terryh
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Post Number: 483
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| | Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 12:04 pm: | |
Lets get all the facts before we rush to judgement. Maybe the two Americans rights were violated. Isnt if possible that the cops in question are two hypersensitive emotional jerks who turned the defendants emotional reaction or voice raising into 'disorderly conduct'. My money is on the 'disorderly conduct' getting thrown out. The cops behaviour may have influenced the girls reaction. Supposedly we live in a free society and can go wherever we want but Americans restrict one anothers freedom of movement with intolerant antagonistic behaviour. |
Michigan
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Post Number: 1064
Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 12:04 pm: | |
Cybersanford- let's just bypass the stupid langauge, and tell me where you got those facts. I would be very interested in seeing them. Thanks |
Umcs
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 12:15 pm: | |
It's Chesterfield Township for crying out loud. They pull people over, white or black, for going 3 miles over the speed limit.
If you mouth off to them, they toss the book at you, regardless of you being white or black. Given my past experience with Chesterfield Township, this stuff happens regardless of race. Sometimes an overzealous cop with nothing to do is an overzealous cop with nothing to do except write traffic tickets. |
Jt1
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| | Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 12:19 pm: | |
Susan - Appreciate the story. |
Terryh
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Post Number: 484
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| | Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 12:44 pm: | |
We dont need overzealous cops in our 'free' society. They should immigrate to another country: Let them go live somewhere else if they want to be jerks. We have too much antagonistic behaviour in our society. The police should be fighting for social justice instead of acting like jerks. |
Jt1
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 1:54 pm: | |
A little update on the story:
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=20077090503 80
quote:Mercedes Johnson, 23, and Kentia Nichols, 21, were stopped by police on Aug. 24 in the parking lot of a Wal-Mart store near Gratiot and M-59. After being detained in the lot for more than an hour, they were arrested and jailed overnight before being released without charges, they said. |
Chitaku
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Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 2:13 pm: | |
chestertucky is notoriously racist as is the majority of folks in that area |
Craig
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Post Number: 348
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 2:23 pm: | |
Terry - I admire the sentiment, but among the last people that I want "fighting for social justice" are the po-leece. There's plenty of crime-fighting to be done, and a force that works to professional standards should be good enough for all of us.
SueR - was that party in Herman Gardens? (just kidding) The cops may have been jerking your chain, or they could have thought that they were doing you a favor. White suburbanites got beaten, robbed and even killed when they came to my little 'hood for drugs. The crap that I took from the DPD for just being a white kid in my own neighborhood (must be here to buy, they thought) made it difficult for me to feel sympathy for that parade of fools. |
One_shot
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 2:29 pm: | |
Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe the real racists are the black people this time? Is it just because a white officer stopped them in a white neighborhood? I'm sure that was their attitude right from the start and they began their ranting and raving. Thats my take. If I were stopped for something I would obey the officers and answer any questions they had especially if I was innocent! Now if the cop wanted to play the power card (which is also common)and treat me with no respect thats another thing. It does NOT necessarily mean it was a racially motivated stop. People can act like idiots no matter what their skin color OR profession.
Of course they plan on suing...its the new thing to do for free money.
And then were gonna have an Al Sharpton speech.
ENOUGH of the damn race card!•••••••• |
Susanarosa
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Post Number: 1660
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 2:30 pm: | |
Craig -- Yeah, a lot of kids who went to Bishop Foley lived in Herman Gardens.
As I said before, I'm not sure of their intentions, but they sure scared the crap out of us. |
Meaghansdad
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 3:21 pm: | |
Its easy to say "ENOUGH" of the race card when you've not had that card played against you for the majority of your life, or, better yet, when you are given the benefit of the "DOUBT", in most instances.
If a cop pulls me over for something thats "LEGAL", I would listen and follow directions as well, but at the point that the young ladies asked for and were refused (as the story indicates) the name and badge number of the officers, they had every right to question the validity of the detainment.
It's fairly easy to say "HEY DONT PLAY THE RACE CARD, or " WATCH THEM CALL AL SHARPTON".
Who the fuck else do underprivileged, persecuted minorities have to turn to for, imagined or real, representation.
Hispanic and Caucasian America (as if theres a real difference now) have the majority of the Senate, Congress, and the freaking White House, not to mention the predominant strains of medium (TV, radio, internet) as your soapbox. What else do you want? |
Michigan
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 3:22 pm: | |
WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH |
Meaghansdad
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 3:26 pm: | |
Very mature
Good luck in life! |
Daf
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 3:26 pm: | |
Oneshot - you just PLAYED the race card. Get a grip. You can't have it both ways.
Does ANYONE here seriously believe that suburban cops have stopped racial profiling? Anyone?
I sure don't. Good for the MMA. |
Bratt
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 4:42 pm: | |
One Shot is probably one of those cops...sounds like it to me.
I know of two incidents where people were pulled over while driving black. Both happened in the suburbs. One was pulled over for no reason. When he asked the reason, the cops just kept asking him questions like, how did he pay for his car...why does he have so many air fresheners in his car...why does he have so many miles on his car. They brought in the dogs and everything. He was only 18 and scared....shit if that was me it would have been a totally different thing.
I have only been pulled over once for doing absolutely nothing. Yes, I was still harassed....but I just looked at it as this white boy just pissed because a sistah is driving a Lexus and he probably can't afford one. I just looked at him like he was crazy because I knew I had done nothing wrong.
All this crap should not be happening today. Really, it should be over with. And white people keep saying quit playing the race card. Well if there weren't so many racists IDIOTS still among us, we wouldn't.
I say when someone is caught committing a racist act, we stone them to death! Does everyone agree with me? |
Umcs
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 4:51 pm: | |
Racists are idiots. I've dealt with waaay too many of them. This applies to all races by the way, since I'm still a "barbarian" to the Japanese I know. I don't think there is a good way to "deal" with the issue frankly.
I'd hazard a guess though, that getting an attorney and threatening lawsuits is something that just continues to breed ill will though. |
Meaghansdad
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 4:57 pm: | |
Bratt,
I feel your pain, but stoning them to death is too good. That would make us no better than them. |
Diehard
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 4:59 pm: | |
Let's hope they release that video from the police car's camera so this can all be cleared up.
I know, like THAT will settle anything. |
Jt1
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 5:01 pm: | |
quote:Let's hope they release that video from the police car's camera so this can all be cleared up.
I know, like THAT will settle anything.
My guess is that somehow the tape will get lost or accidentally damaged. |
Diehard
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 5:06 pm: | |
Just throwing out a question: If someone gets stopped who fits the description of a specific criminal suspect (height, weight, clothes, car, location, etc.), is that profiling? |
_sj_
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 5:13 pm: | |
Obstructions hanging from the rear-view mirror (Air fresheners) is a moving violation. |
Jt1
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 5:15 pm: | |
quote:Obstructions hanging from the rear-view mirror (Air fresheners) is a moving violation.
If you are referring to Bratt's post, Why are you assuming that the airfreheners were hanging from the rear view mirror? |
_sj_
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 5:21 pm: | |
Why are you assuming I am. Maybe I am just pointing a common violation that many people are not aware of. |
Detroit_stylin
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 5:48 pm: | |
I'd say take the cops and arrest them and put them in general population of Jackson and broadcast to the inmates that they are/were Cops!
See how Billy Bad Ass handle himself in that situation... |
Ravine
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:27 pm: | |
_sj_ is correct. If you have stuff hanging from the rear-view mirror, that is a violation, and the shitheads can pull you over for it. It may be perfectly obvious that they are f***ing with you for no good reason, but no amount of bawling about it changes the fact that they were totally within their rights to pull you over. |
Craig
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:58 pm: | |
I don't offer this as a "poor me" tale, but rather an alternative POV.
Me, "Craig" oft confused with others, was stopped on a number of occasions by black & white DPD officers while motoring in my own neighborhood. My "crime?" I suspect that it was my race (white as hell). Why? White suburbanites buying drugs were, other than me the mailman and a few scout car crews, the only "whites" in the area. No joke.
Cops may be racist (that's a bone - I don't believe that its an epidemic), but they're also professionals who are paid to deal with the worst that society offers. Accordingly, they see and know things that we don't, hence your law-abiding informant having to explain for the umpteenth time why my white ass was driving on Fenkell and Outer Drive. "They" look for crime and thereby roust the criminal-appearing types. Based upon my observations of younger vs. older officers I believe that the younger generation receives a lot of sensitivity training and is generally aware of the evils of popping someone only because they do/don't pass the paperbag test.
Skin color alone should never be permitted to trigger an officer's professional sense that something is awry. Training, training, & more will protect us, I trust.
One other point... in nearly every encounter that I've had outside of Detroit (distressingly many - I must look guilty) the police have been dicks (as in the accounts of posters above). But cold, cagey professionalism is the stock and trade of these guys. About the time that I wish that they were gentler I'm reminded of the thugs and other types who need to be away from the rest of us and I'm glad that the blue line stands. |
Michigan
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 7:58 pm: | |
Exactly Craig |
Bratt
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 8:26 pm: | |
Just an FYI: No air fresheners hanging from the rear view....know all about those laws. |
Benjo
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| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 9:14 am: | |
Chesterfield township cops are corrupt. I'm white and I hate driving through there. Does anyone remember the murder of 16 year old Justin Mello about eight years ago where they kept John Kaled locked up for six months after they had found the real killers? |
Craig
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| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 9:20 am: | |
Corrupt or incompetent, Benjo? Very big difference.
Further, wasn't it the Prosecutor that acted to keep JK in jail? |
Thejesus
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| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 9:53 am: | |
"I'd say take the cops and arrest them and put them in general population of Jackson and broadcast to the inmates that they are/were Cops!"
What if the cops' action were justified? Or is that just too hard for you to imagine |
_sj_
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Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 10:09 am: | |
Wasn't that New Baltimore and didn't they confess? |
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