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Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 174
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 11:30 am: |    |
Lets face reality and know that jobs are going to continue to leave based on the fact of price competition and labor pricing itself too high here. The education and high tech edge will go only so far. (Bush 1 and corporate sponsors) put NAFTA together and Bush told Clinton to sigh it when he came into office.
GranHolmes has 'Blown It' by trying to get a few big or high tech companies, not cutting deeper and working to hard trying to increase taxes. |
Dds
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Username: Dds
Post Number: 342
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 11:33 am: | |
Call me a troll, send me back to the sandbox, I don't care. Someone sounds like he's more impressed than he was 5 years ago.
It needs to be posted:
quote:Supersport
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Username: Supersport
Post Number: 11604
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 11:19 pm:
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I'd like to say that me and my girlfriend spent the evening downtown, getting ice cream from one of the at least 4 ice cream places within a few blocks of Campus Martius. We then sat in Campus Martius for an hour or so with a few dozen others enjoying the park. We watched the fountain, looked at Compuware, the recent addition to the park, the Redico building, a hoppin' Hard Rock cafe, a CVS, and two blocks of Monroe in sight that is now filled with businesses. NONE of this existed 5 years ago.
We had originally planned on stopping into The Well for drinks with friends, but instead I suggested we check out the Riverwalk, now that the extention was open.
As we headed towards the river, we passed many others out and about, walking the city, on a Thursday night. Not something I would have seen 5 years ago. We got to Hart Plaza to see the cleaning crews working away, emptying trash, washing the sidewalks, and keeping things tidy, something you didn't see 5 years ago.
As we strolled down the riverwalk, I looked at many other things that weren't there 5 years ago, such as the Riverwalk itself, the monuments and sculptures, the Wintergarden, the restaurants in the RenCen facing the water, the valet parking, Asiantown, etc.
There were literally hundreds of people along the water tonight. They were fishing, jogging, biking, and simply sitting on the benches. Many of the people were there with their families. This whole scenario was non-existant just 5 years ago, yet here we were on a Thursday night at 10 pm, with many others enjoying the scenery. |
Supersport
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Username: Supersport
Post Number: 11692
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 11:40 am: | |
So the bells and whistles are nice. Our housing market is shit, job market is shit, and our state wants to tax us more. The bells and whistles only take things so far. |
Lefty2
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Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 175
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 11:43 am: | |
Yes it is nicer now downtown, thanks to private investment and tax subsidies.
GranHOlmes doesn't want to piss off the voting base and make the right decisions and therefore does a disservice to all Michiganders |
Jt1
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Username: Jt1
Post Number: 10185
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 11:44 am: | |
So how would the state be better if DeVos won? It is much easier to criticize than to offer up solution. |
Ffdfd
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Username: Ffdfd
Post Number: 190
Registered: 09-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 11:44 am: | |
You didn't call them bells and whistles in your June posting, SS. In fact, you sounded downright "blown away." |
Dabirch
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Username: Dabirch
Post Number: 2405
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 11:45 am: | |
quote:So how would the state be better if DeVos won?
Cheaper soap and vitamin supplements? |
Lefty2
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Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 176
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 11:47 am: | |
The question is how can GranHolmes improve Michigan, she is the leader, not DeVos. |
Danny
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Username: Danny
Post Number: 6552
Registered: 02-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 11:56 am: | |
HEIL GRANHOLM!
She is our great leader to the people of Michigan.
GRANHOLM = PEACE
GRANHOLM = LOVE
GRANHOLM = HOPE
GRANHOLM = JOY
GRANHOLM = FREEDOM
GRANHOLM = FRIENDSHIP TO ALL |
Gravitymachine
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Username: Gravitymachine
Post Number: 1817
Registered: 05-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 12:13 pm: | |
next person to say "blown away" within punching distance of me....
goddamn when will that meme go away! |
Jimaz
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Username: Jimaz
Post Number: 3317
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 1:42 pm: | |
quote:goddamn when will that meme go away! When everyone's been blown away?
¤OUCH!¤ |
Patrick
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Username: Patrick
Post Number: 4947
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 2:23 pm: | |
Michigan is beyond repair. |
Rjk
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Username: Rjk
Post Number: 859
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 2:28 pm: | |
Well, at least we won't have to waste any time amending the constitution so she can run for president.
I think we also have the most attractive governor. |
Karl_jr
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Username: Karl_jr
Post Number: 81
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 2:31 pm: | |
she needs to blow that mole away |
Atl_runner
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Username: Atl_runner
Post Number: 1976
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 4:26 pm: | |
Michigan is a bit of an Anomaly in that it's been a historically successful state, with historically mediocre Leadership.. at best. That scenario does not work forever. It's easy to lead and look good when the state economy is good. What Michigan has rarely, if ever seen, is strong leadership, when it's needed most. Strong leadership is creative, does what's best no matter how much it hurts, and is especially good at making people believe that better days lie ahead.
Having just been up to Michigan for a week, I saw a lot of positive things and some negative. Mostly though, everyone I talked to was in a huge funk.. 'Our economy sucks', 'can't sell this or buy that', 'Michigan is dying' etc. When I asked these people how they were affected, most could only say that their home values had dropped. Who in Michigan didn't know that a 1200 square foot bungalow was not worth 250k? While it might be painful, the correction was obvious.
I guess my point is that JG is an ok leader. I really really like some of the things she has done, and really like the movement of the Michigan Primary. Michigan needs to become relevant one way or another, and that is a good first step. Taxes are not the answer unless they are going to pay for a giant public works project like a viable mass transit system.. Where she has failed though, is at convincing people that better times are ahead, and she has failed miserably at keeping young talent in the state.
She could always sell the U.P. to the highest bidder. Wonder how much that would bring in. |
Rb336
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Username: Rb336
Post Number: 2401
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 4:44 pm: | |
I think the thing that gets on my nerves the most -- i am not a big fan of Jenny -- is that the republicans seem to blame her for all the bloat in government when they had how many years of legislative and executive control and did nothing about the structural problems that have been apparent since milliken's era? the lady has cut more fat from the budget than engler has on his body |
Iheartthed
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Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 1668
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 4:53 pm: | |
she needs to blow that mole away
LOL!
It has friends too. Does stress cause that? During the gubernatorial race she only had one, now there are like 3... |
Rocket_city
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Username: Rocket_city
Post Number: 401
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 4:59 pm: | |
Yah, I too agree that it is more bipartisan than just Granholm. Actually, I wish more of her plans could have been implimented. She's ultimately responsible, which makes her the easy target, but the current circus at the Capitol is proof there are two tangoing at the mess.
Btw, did the SBT gap ever get plugged, or have we relied on the magic conservative tax tree to just replace it? I'm asking because I honestly don't know how that fits into this budget crisis.
Anybody have the short answer? |
Michigan
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Username: Michigan
Post Number: 1195
Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 5:12 pm: | |
no |
Novine
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Username: Novine
Post Number: 152
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 5:42 pm: | |
"Btw, did the SBT gap ever get plugged, or have we relied on the magic conservative tax tree to just replace it? I'm asking because I honestly don't know how that fits into this budget crisis."
Yes, it's called the Michigan Business Tax. Due to some accounting issue that I don't completely understand, it's actually going to bring in $200 million more than originally projected. Both parties are using that to plug their budget holes. |
Umcs
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Username: Umcs
Post Number: 39
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 6:06 pm: | |
Frankly, I never counted on her to save my butt. I never voted for a politician to serve my interests. I've only voted for the ones who seem to do avoid doing anything.
Ah that's right. People actually expect their politicians to fix their lives, jobs, etc., and then complain the government intrudes too much into their lives or is too big. Right. Keep preaching. |
Lefty2
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Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 179
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 7:07 pm: | |
ya got me there umcs, , but on a macro level she flunks econ 102. |
Livernoisyard
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Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 3997
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 7:28 pm: | |
Government was never intended to run all the facets of life that it does today. But with creeping socialism, it can and will.
Consider the helpless wimps on this board when they utter: "What is Granholm supposed to do." As if she's important and knows best...
Remember, the government that runs the least, runs the best. |
Ccbatson
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Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 4159
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 9:28 pm: | |
Amen Livernoisyard, nothing more needs be said. |
Bussey
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Username: Bussey
Post Number: 592
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 9:53 pm: | |
Ironic how the system you recommend was advocated by the 'working class' over 100 years ago.
ANARCHY FOREVER!
(Message edited by bussey on September 20, 2007) |
Cheddar_bob
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Username: Cheddar_bob
Post Number: 1295
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 10:33 pm: | |
quote:Oh God, you're right, so she was talking 2011?
Well SS, 2006 + 5 years = 2011. So, yeah I guess she was talking about 2011.
quote:Will Michigan still exist?
I'm going to go with yes on this one.
quote:Or will we be divided up amongst the surrounding states?
No? Yeah, um, wait, yeah, no. I'm going to guess no on this one. |
Hpgrmln
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Username: Hpgrmln
Post Number: 181
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 11:02 pm: | |
I try to vote on issues and character.
From now on I think I will vote straight republican. I can't see myself voting for any party that supports this incompetant so-called-politician.
One more reason to boycott Canada.
She is disastorous on almost every issue. |
Lilpup
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Username: Lilpup
Post Number: 2800
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 11:15 pm: | |
we'd be better off if we were part of Canada |
Beavis1981
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Username: Beavis1981
Post Number: 601
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 11:38 pm: | |
Someone here brought up "the wart". I've had a theory for a few years that "the wart" is actually an alien spore. THAT is what really runs MI. |
Ja1mz
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Username: Ja1mz
Post Number: 65
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 8:15 am: | |
Danny- please wipe the Kool-aid from your chin...and then have another cup! |
Mauser765
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Username: Mauser765
Post Number: 1942
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 8:22 am: | |
Oh im blown away alright, just not in a good way. |
Detroitrise
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Username: Detroitrise
Post Number: 2
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 12:49 pm: | |
"Been nearly 5 years, still not 'blown away'"
In retrospect, I would say Michigan has been "blown away", from the light at the end of the tunnel that is. |
Danny
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Username: Danny
Post Number: 6563
Registered: 02-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 6:49 pm: | |
Well, 5 years later I was being blown away by Granholm's promise of bringing jobs to Michigan and she proves it. It's not the automotive jobs but its the alternative international jobs. |
Ccbatson
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Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 4236
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 7:59 pm: | |
Bussey, it is not anarchy in the slightest, it is capitalism/freedom. The role of government is much smaller than the current bloated state of affairs, but still absolutely central to the functioning of the system. |
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