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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 10:41 pm: |    |
Meh, I think some of you are reading too much into going out to the strip joint. When I turned 18, my friends and I went quite a few times, as it was a novelty. Now we still occasionally go, but it's not because we need to feel power, or we're depressed, or anything like that. We go to hang out, drink lots of beer, and pay for a dance or two. It's absolutely a waste of money (and a tease - unless one of your friends is dating one of the dancers and has the hook up - no further comment necessary) but it's a good time out.
There are exceptions, but I think most guys who visit strip clubs are average guys out with their friends looking for an escape or a cheap thrill for the night. I mean, how else could you get several pairs of boobs in your face without any obligation or effort, for just a few bucks? Afterwards we can all go home to our monotonous relationships where her boobs are tired and have a headache ;-)
I personally don't care to stare at anything below the waist, but some guys are into that, so why not? |
Jrvass
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 12:57 am: | |
Oh!
We're not all going to go dance nude.... someone else is, and we watch and pay money?
What fun is that?
James |
Mayor_sekou
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 1:41 am: | |
Strip clubs are only fun when you and homies can get some, lol. Other than that they are a waste of money and time as my days of being teased ended in high school. |
Raptor56
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 10:39 am: | |
a buddy of mine from work and I used to hit up the Traffic Light in Mt Clemens once a month or so over the course of 2005. It was fun to have a beer, shoot the breeze, see some alright tatas and actually talk to the girls working there. This being a cheap strip club, the ladies weren't entirely on the high-and-mighty band wagon so you could actually have them sit down and talk about whatever without opening your wallet. I've never been a big fan of going to the more expensive clubs due to the fact you pay $10 for a bottle of beer (must buy at least two), have a $15 cover charge, and need to hold out the fives and tens in order to get anyone to come near you (we won't even get into the cost of a dance). Basically you shell out $100 to have a couple beers and get blue balls. $20 at the Light got you in the door ($3), a drink ($4), a dance ($10), and a couple of bucks for the stage dancers. It's also fun ripping on the old wrinkly Mr Money Bags sitting in the corner with a girl or two dancing for him privately all night. |
Miss_cleo
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 10:43 am: | |
Afterwards we can all go home to our monotonous relationships where her boobs are tired and have a headache ;-)
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and maybe, just maybe, if you were home, *wasting* that money on a special night for her, her boobs wouldnt be tired and she wouldnt have a headache. Men are so clueless and simple minded. Strip clubs = puke.
Its thoughts like that above that make me think the men who go to clubs are idiots.......cause youre not caring WHY she has a headache....maybe its you? But you just go on your merry way and *bond* (how stupid) with your buddys, waste large amounts of money and go act like jr high boys. Bleh! |
Diehard
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 10:58 am: | |
Right on Cleo. If I were that "monotonous" wife at home with the tired boobs and the headache, and found out that's where our grocery money was going, I'd leave him and take as much of it as I could before it ended up down some skank's drawers. |
Steelworker
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 11:16 am: | |
Is there jealously of not being the skank thats getting attention? And it doesnt have to involve wasting tons of money. Do you harass men for looking at porn as well? |
Raptor56
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 11:22 am: | |
Sounds like someone with tired boobs is not getting enough attention at home..... |
Raptor56
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 11:24 am: | |
I dont see much difference in the money guys waste at strip clubs, and the money women waste buying a new wardrobe every season. It's all money that could and should be better spent on something else, but since it entertains us and makes us feel good about ourselves, we splurge. |
Miss_cleo
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 11:32 am: | |
I cringe at men who say paying women to pay attention to them makes them feel good.
To me, thats some kind of problem right there. |
Bussey
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 11:42 am: | |
Miss Cleo.
When I was in Germany, on my honeymoon, my wife and I spent one night at the corner of Taunusstrasse and Elbestrasse in Frankfurt. At a bar with a patio view, we watched the action as it unfolded on this "hot" corner. Frankfurt is Germany's version of Manhattan with numerous international banks located there. While in town for business, or just in town, men, or women, have their choice of many Eros Centers located at this corner. Eros Centers are Germany's version of brothels, which are all legal.
At these places customers walk in and proceed though the center where the rooms are all rented out by practicing and registered prostitutes. Upon finding an available room the customer is informed of the price and from there your imagination can fill in the blanks.
In our country people partake in various recreational activities with sex being one of them. Either with someone or themselves. In Europe it is accepted that people are willing to pay for this hobby and hence the practice has been made legal and is accepted as a normal practice.
Spending the night at this bar was amazing to my wife and I who were quite amused at the variety of characters we saw walking in and out of these places. From the group of multiple dudes, who would enter together and then trickle out individually until the last one had exited and then leave for either another Eros center or local bar, in the same manner as a group of men in the U.S. would go to a club or movie, to the single man who due to various physical defects would never really have a chance with a sexual encounter with any young and attractive woman.
People find interests in different things and for some sex is very interesting. To label these people as jejune and no better than the average junior high student is ignorant. Just because you don't have the same passion or interest in sex doesn't mean that you should ridicule those that do.
If our country allows these types of activities to persist then they must not be so detrimental to society. Just because they don't have any strip clubs in Charlevoix doesn't mean that they are halls of puerile amusement.
If anything, your blanket labeling of these people as immature is immature itself because you really do not understand their mind set and are unwilling to relate to their particular tastes. |
Raptor56
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 11:45 am: | |
Women pay hairdressers to pay attention to their hair and make them feel good. You pay beauticians to pay attention to your nails and feet to make you feel good. |
Carolcb
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 11:46 am: | |
Amen.
Seriously. |
Miss_cleo
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 11:53 am: | |
say whatever you want, not gonna change my opinion of clubs and the men who go to them. I stand by my statement of IF you need to pay a woman to pay attention to you, to make you feel good about yourself, there is something wrong with you.
How can a man (married w/ kids) go into a club and spend money that his family deserves? Little woman home with the kids, waiting for her man to come home from his night in the club, just disgusting.
My man and I have a great sex life, toys, a little porn on ocassion, sexy lingere, no need to go out and waste money on a 2 bit slut who is *making you feel special* and laughing at you behind your back for giving her all your money
No money wasted in this household, unless you count the money we waste together on concerts, nice dinners out, hunting/camping equipment, stuff for the kids, the house.
One person in the relationship going out and just throwing money away IS immature and a creep to boot. |
Miss_cleo
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 11:55 am: | |
sorry, I dont get may nails done and EVERYONE goes and get a hair cut.
and when I get said cut, I am not stuffing $$ down their pants nor are they taking their clothes off. Big difference, see?
(Message edited by miss cleo on August 31, 2007) |
Steelworker
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 11:55 am: | |
very well put bussey. |
Michigan
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 12:10 pm: | |
I have to agree with miss cleo for the most part.
A women buying new clothes and getting her hair done to look good? Sure it makes her feel better, and if I'm her husband it makes me feel better since she is trying to look good for me as well. If we were comparing that to spending money and time at the gym to stay in shape, or getting a nice facial so you look handsome for her, then I could see the comparison. And, she wears her clothes more than once.
If your wife has a headache all the time, something is up, and going to the strip club will only exacerbate the problem. Get your self together and take your wife out. She'll feel pretty damn good about you and herself.
Like I said these clubs are an easy way for men to feel powerful over women when they feel impotent in their lives. Sorry, guys I know a lot of you will think I am a traitor but that is the truth. Like HPgrmin said, if that were your daughter or sister you would be freaked out, because deep down you all know exactly why you are really there. It is a sadder statement about you than it is about any of the dancers.
Chris Rock says it best, a father's most important job is to keep his daughter off the pole!! |
Ffdfd
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 12:24 pm: | |
quote:My man and I have a great sex life, toys, a little porn on ocassion, sexy lingere
Hot. Tell us more about these toys. Are Tonka Trucks involved? |
Bussey
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 12:55 pm: | |
vroom vroom |
Thejesus
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 12:56 pm: | |
I could be wrong, but I have serious doubts that men who go to strip clubs on occasion are too concerned with what people like Ms. Cleo thinks of them...
And to anyone arguing that strip clubs are a bad thing, what about all the good they bring into society?
The guys get their dance...
The girls get paid...
And uptight women who long to be the center of attention get something to bitch about...
Everybody wins! |
Steelworker
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 12:58 pm: | |
you guys are hillarious. |
Miss_cleo
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 12:58 pm: | |
you forgot about the families at home, alone, while daddy is out spending time and money on girls instead of said family....they dont win, they lose. |
Thejesus
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 1:01 pm: | |
^do they lose any more if daddy is out bowling once a week with his buddies instead of going to strip clubs?
I'm just trying to understand why all of your anger seems to be directed at women providing a service that guys are willing to pay for |
Michigan
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 1:05 pm: | |
LOL |
El_jimbo
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 1:07 pm: | |
Where the women wiggle and the men giggle at...The NUDIE BAR!!!
Where the beer gives you gas and the Bundy's kick ass...The NUDIE BAR!!! |
Gnome
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 1:56 pm: | |
I'm not a huge fan of strip clubs, just a tolerant one; however, Miss Cleo is getting my goat.
The pitiful picture she paints of the starving children, the lonely wife, is just too pitiful to be taken seriously.
Is it ok to stop off for a beer, a bowling game, a dart match, a game of golf? All of those activities rob those little children of food and clothing.
Miss Cleo proffers a puritanical view which bespeaks of a stridently restrictive world view.
I would feel sorry for Miss CLeo, but my main sympathies go out to Mr. Cleo.
We should focus our attention on how to make the most money off the entire practice. How about a Pink-Light District where the delicate eyes of Miss Cleo would be protected?
Seems to work for Amsterdam, Hamburg, Berlin, Bancock. Face it, nudie bars are here to stay, how can we a way to benefit from their operation? |
Carolcb
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 2:07 pm: | |
I think everyone here on both sides have said good things going on the far side of each view....However, I think this country is still way too hung up on sex, and that lots of people would be better off if they accepted it for what it is - a dance between two people, hopefully the person who you are going to spend the rest of your life with, a journey of anticipation, something that hopefully is above words, something that molds your relationship. And yes, brings children sometimes.
I don't want my husband, sons hanging out whereever all the time - but I would not want them to be afraid of it. I don't think it is like the flames of hell - there is lunatic fringe everywhere, even in morality. Everything in moderation - closing your eyes to the rest of the world is not always the way to go.
Amen brother! |
Gibran
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 2:45 pm: | |
oh "nude" dancing ....not couples....sorry
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Miss_cleo
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 3:05 pm: | |
^do they lose any more if daddy is out bowling once a week with his buddies instead of going to strip clubs?
lets see, daddy is buying 4$ beer vrs what 8-9$ beer? Daddy is actually doing an activity that COULD be shared by the family if they so wished. Daddy is not putting money down anyones g-string at said bowling alley.
I am not saying its wrong to go ocassionally or go a lot if you are single. If you are married, there is more at stake than your immediate enjoyment. You are setting a bad example for your kids by frequenting one. Are you taking in account how said wife and daughter feel about the club? What about what you are showing your son about respecting your wife and women as a whole? About being responsible and respectful?
There are SO many things men can do to *bond* and spend guy time together, this doesnt need to be one of them when you are a family man.
BTW, I guess I have this view because of a few slimey friends we had in the past. So called *men* couldnt wait to go to the clubs, every week, leaving wifes, daughters and sons home. Instead of being men and taking care of their families, they were getting drunk and stuffing strippers panties with money the household needed. I have seen their kids do without, so daddy could have a *good time* after working all week.
So, for some men its harmless fun and bonding, for others it becomes an obcession that takes away money and time from their families....all for a look, dance, touch form a strange nekid' girl. Pathetic! |
Raptor56
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 3:09 pm: | |
should have come back from lunch/meetigns sooner...
BTW... Since when are all men who visit strip clubs married with starving children and lonely deprived wives? I know plenty of single guys who visit the local "fruit stand" on occasion. Please knock off the lump some generalities.
I'm not proclaiming strip clubs to be the greatest thing since the Ambassador Bridge, however they aren't these havens for derelicts and destroyers of marriage which you have been preaching about. If some poor excuse for a dad is spending too much time in the strip club and not providing for his family, I'm sure there are other substantial underlying marital issues which are contributing to the situation. It's not just the strip club.
Patiently awaiting your "women are perfect and eternally suffering while men are scum" response... |
Miss_cleo
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 3:13 pm: | |
Patiently awaiting your "women are perfect and eternally suffering while men are scum" response...
well, keep waiting, its not comming
Make light all you want, I have seen clubs tear families and marriages apart. All cause the man couldnt control himself and respect his wifes feelings. All because stuffing a strangers panties with the family money was more important. SOME men who frequent the clubs are losers and always will be. |
Daf
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 3:16 pm: | |
Cleo's arguments are similar to those against gambling. Lots of people can handle it responsibly, and then you have the people who blow entire paychecks there and/or wear a diaper so they don't have to leave "their" machine.
I worked with a guy who, when he was on the road, spent every day at a strip club. We were on a one-year assignment together: he went every damn day. Something wrong there... |
Thejesus
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 3:39 pm: | |
Ms. Cleo:
Why then are you directing your anger at the clubs instead of the handful of men you speak of that frequent the clubs too often? Why ruin everyone else's fun because a few of your friends happen to suck at life?
Do you honestly think that simply making strip clubs unavailable to the men you mentioned would have produced a different result? You don't think they would have just found some other way to screw up their family life? |
Diehard
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 4:16 pm: | |
While I won't go as far as Cleo (I don't personally know anyone who threw their lives away in a strip club, other than some girls who were too dumb and coked up to hold down a real job anyway) - you gotta admit there's something pathetic about a married man paying a stranger to pretend she wants to have sex with him.
(And no, I'm not fat, ugly or neglected, and I doubt that Cleo is either, but thanks for trying to make it personal.) |
Thejesus
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 5:06 pm: | |
who tried to make it personal? |
Gnome
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 5:28 pm: | |
Miss Cleo it is your strident, puritanical tone that has incurred the snarky comments. I would guess that I might know a few more men than you, and I can't say I can remember a single family torn apart by your sceenerios.
Your tone is extremist. Shrill. And the louder you shreak the more laughable, and implausible, your point becomes.
You can't put a burkka on American society and no amount of calling people scum is going to change that.
Diehard: yes, it is pathetic. All fantasies are pathetic; that goes for Civil War Re-enactors, Star Trek fans, ComicCon fools, old tennis players and flabby joggers in headbands.
Sometimes, a fantasy is only thing people have to hold on to. It makes us human. |
Miss_cleo
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 6:42 pm: | |
I love how you guys always throw around * I never knew anyone it happened to, so it cant be true* bullshit. People here are famous for it.
Guess what these slime balls would do before weekly bowling? They (marrieds) would meet at the single guys house and then have *call* girls, escorts, prostitutes,strippers, whatever you call them come over and entertain them before going bowling.
Fantasy is one thing, giving all your families money to a stripper is another. |
Bussey
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 6:45 pm: | |
isnt it the husband in the wrong not the stripper?
Why would you marry someone if you knew they were this kind of person in the first place.?
(Message edited by bussey on August 31, 2007) |
Miss_cleo
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 6:47 pm: | |
I wouldnt.
and yes, the husband is most definetely wrong, who ever said he wasnt??? |
Bussey
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 7:24 pm: | |
why hate on the strip clubs, not all guys that go there are married. |
Gnome
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 7:59 pm: | |
Miss Cleo, of all the marriages I've seen destroyed, the common denominator is a strident tone. Either a harping wife or a hyper-critical husband is a sure bet that most of the family's resources will be spent on lawyers.
You seem to be so singular in your point of view, that I can't believe that this is the only issue you on which you are so belligerent.
I'm getting the strong feeling you're not happy unless the world bends to you superior point of view. In looking over some of your other posts, that feeling has been re-enforced.
Ok, Miss Cleo, you're right. Men are scum when the visit strip clubs. Are you happy now?
Any other men out there who'd join me at Bogarts so we can all raise a beer to Miss Cleo's overwhelming victory? |
Humanmachinery
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 8:33 pm: | |
Just another reason I don't want to get married, beyond the way that I've seen it destroy countless relationships, and relegate sex strictly to being a means for procreation.
It starts with "if you want us to stay together, we have to get married."
And moves to "you promised we'd have children" (implication: if you don't give me kids, I'm leaving you).
Usually another child or two is demanded, and then the marriage falls apart. The wife complains that she doesn't know or understand the husband anymore, that he spends too much time at work, and is emotionally distant (all of which is necessary to pay for the damned house and kids the wife demanded). Those children are now the center of her life anyway, and she will never really love anyone else again. The wife asks about a trial separation. If the husband tries to bargain with her, or gives her a bullshit answer about the importance of "staying together for the children," she'll often just flat out sue for divorce, or cheat on him until he does the same.
I've seen this time after time after time after time...
(Message edited by humanmachinery on August 31, 2007) |
Rustic
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 8:45 pm: | |
this thread is depressing ... I'd rather see some nekkid meth heds walk around clumsily in platform heels in a shack by the side of the road in Inkster |
Yaktown
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 9:15 pm: | |
This kid has no future...
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Lefty2
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 10:26 pm: | |
I always felt sorry for dancers whenever I went to a club (not very often). I always thought what bad circumstance brought them to do such a low human kind of job( money aside).
These are mostly very vulnerable low self esteem people! |
Steelworker
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 11:37 pm: | |
to repeat NOT all people in the clubs are married. I would even go as far as saying most are not married. |
Wazootyman
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| | Posted on Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 12:57 am: | |
I'm with you, Gnome!
This thread really took a turn for the worse. If a married guy is harming his children by wasting the family fortune at the strip club - it's not the strip club you should be mad at.
To follow up on a couple comments on my post a ways back - I am not married, and actually I've only been to a strip club once in the last few years. My comment about her being "tired" was mostly tongue in cheek. Lighten up.
I have a couple of friends who won't go with us when we go. Ironically, these are the friends who have never gone, and feel that going to such a place is below their morals. That's fine. But for those on this forum harshly judging those who attend these clubs, have you yourself gone, or are you making assumptions? They're just not as dirty and/or seedy as you might like to think (for the most part).
Most of the guys I've seen at the strip club are in their 20's, or maybe 30's. Chances are, a lot of these guys are single. Some of them bring their girlfriends, which is always entertaining...
When you go to the bar, you're wasting money on getting a buzz. Going to the strip club is just another level of that. Some people like the feeling a good buzz gives them. Some people like to see naked women. I just don't see how that's such an evil, harmful thing. Like anything else, in moderation, it's just another form of entertainment. |
Reddog289
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| | Posted on Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 4:48 am: | |
if i owned a bar i,d love to charge at least 6 bucks for a beer, i spent my time at many strip clubs. seen alot of funny stuff, not illegal,but stuff that would never happen at regular bars. watch out for the russian women |
Miss_cleo
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| | Posted on Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 11:00 am: | |
I am just a dinosaur, last of a dying breed. I am an old fashion gal....I have old fashion morals and I live a traditional role. DH works and I stay home and do all the cooking, cleaning, laundry, I take out trash and mow the lawn, bait the blinds. I wouldnt have it any other way. Dh and I have no need or use for a strip club, never will. I am afraid my opinion of them and those who go will never change. Oh well. |
Bagman
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| | Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 3:28 am: | |
Miss Cleo,
While I agree with many of your comments I do think that your puritanical point of view is not based on reality, and worse, the reality makes you look even sillier.
I worked for an all nude strip club for about 4 years.
Some of what you said was true but most was no where near close. I can't tell you the number of med school students I had dancing in Ypsi when I ran that club, because I never counted but I paid extra to any dancer who was in school, and I do know that out of the 250 dancers I had, I gave 175 bonuses a week to dancers with a valid student ID. Even more bizzare was the 450 lb dancers that would headline and pack the house? Now why does a guy want to watch that? I have no idea either but they would pay a $10 cover instead of $5 just to get in the door to see the fat chicks, and then to pay $2.00 for a soda pop or $3.00 for a glass of juice. Now I did make the conscious decision to work in an all nude strip club because they are barred from selling alcohol and I had worked in bars for years and was tired of dealing with drunks. After 4 years of dancers I got tired of women. That took a while to get over.
I have seen it all, guys spending their whole paycheck, the rabbi who blessed me at my bar mitzvah, the priest who would take his collier off as he walked in the door, the cops who would flash a badge and expect that they could fondle the girls and when asked to leave would get upset and threaten to send in the vice squad, or my boss being indited for tax evasion (as they did Al Capone) but the one thing that amazed me more than anything was when we would bring in MALE dancers and allow women in. WHAT A NIGHTMARE! I always had to have extra security, the woman would grab and touch the men in ways that would get a man bounced out on his head if he touched a female dancer that way.
And the money, woman would spend as much if not more than the men, mind you women only got one night a month to do this but I would have men begging me to let them dance on ladies night the money was so good. Many of these male dances regularly danced in gay clubs and were gay themselves so it was all fantasy for the woman cause these well hung gay men weren't taking them home for the night |
Kaptansolo
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| | Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 5:15 pm: | |
Well Miss Cleo...let me add my two cents
One...everybody is not married as stated by others. Since you said you are a dinosaur then you should know that the rest of the world has pretty much moved on from traditional roles with sex.
But let's talk about the married ones for a minute.
Human beings make mistakes in life. Perhaps you have a great sex life and everybody is satisfied...I applaud you and your husband. ...However...
There are a lot of girlfriends and wives who are great women, just not the most exciting people in bed.
I remember meeting one of those "poor" housewives that you were talking about. She was bitching about the fact that her husband attended the clubs on a regular basis. His favorite dancer and his wife actually had a retarded chance of meeting on a talk show. The dancer was intelligent and she listened to this very upset woman complain of how she(the dancer) should feel bad about her husband spending their money on her.
The dancer said, "this is a classic example of why I cannot feel bad." "Stand up and let everybody in the audience see you." You are good looking and damned sexy...if you let me take in the back and change your clothes and do a little bit of exotic make-up on you...your husband will probably be ready to install a pole in your own basement and have you dancing for him...BUT...you are one those women who "feel" that you should not have to dress up to intice someone who loves you."
"When all it takes is some red lipstick and and some 5inch pumps...Hell NO, I do not feel bad!!!!!"
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Miss_cleo
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| | Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 5:59 pm: | |
Too bad I am NOT one of those women who Doesnt dress up for her husband. So your little story does not apply to me and mine. I am not going to feel bad about my views on strip clubs because of other people saying its the norm- its not, not to a lot of people. I can entice my husband myself, thank you very much. No need to waste money on strangers, he gets it all at home. Why is the progression of smut in our daily lives called progress?
Sad really, when a man has to pay a women to entertain him and he views that as a normal fun time.
This is all I am going to say on the subject. I dont like them, need them or am I intrested in them or the people who feel theneed for them. *puke*
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Broken_main
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| | Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 7:56 pm: | |
To each his own... |
Sstashmoo
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| | Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 9:10 pm: | |
Quote "Sad really, when a man has to pay a women to entertain him and he views that as a normal fun time."
Sadly thats often how the system works though. When these extremely attractive young girls marry wrinkled old rich men, and young attractive guys marry rich older women, what is your explanation for that? There is no arguing that a guy with money gets hotter women. It's just a fact of life. Call it what you want. Alot of kids are taught by their parents to "marry up". Find someone successful. Translation: Find someone with money. Waive your values, make exceptions if you have to, get him or her.
To be quite frank, I have more respect for an exotic dancer than someone who just marries for money. The latter is operating on deception. The dancer makes her intentions quite clear. |
Kaptansolo
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| | Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 9:32 pm: | |
Miss Cleo reminds me of an ex-girlfriend I had years ago.
First, I did say that if you and your husband have a great sex life then that is wonderful and obviously it would not apply to you.
When saying how "sad" it is...that is you assuming that all women are "you". In the next sentence you may say something unique like, "there is only one of me". This will prove my point.
There are many women who will not and finding one that will is not always the easiest thing in the world.
No one is saying it is normal or abnormal to attend or not to attend.
It's just something that guys do and some do not. But people go for different reasons.
There are some lonely men in the world and there are some who have no problem picking chicks up.
There are some guys who feel they can "buy" women...there is a lot of truth to this and sometimes this is where some of them try.
Where else can you go...listen to some music, have a drink and have sexy ass chicks all over you. Yeah, we know it is all about the money. Believe me, you spend just as much in the legit relationships as you do the fantasy ones.
I can remember talking with a woman who had similar views or I should say you sound a lot like her in your "tone" about the subject.
Every man does not have the gift of gab and all are not experts at talking a woman out of her drawers. Perhaps you feel these are "sad" men. Maybe you are one of those women who have only been involved with "smooth" guys?
Every guy when he was young was not necessarily chasing "tail" everywhere and maybe his head stayed in the books because he thought that the old "Scarface" line about, "in this country...first you get the money, then you get the power and then you get the women"...maybe he thought this was the route to go and never learned anything about women because he was too busy chasing the dollar.
I understand your points
Just remember, every man is not fortunate enough to have a woman that will perform for him as you say you do for your husband. This does not mean they are going to get rid of the woman because other than that she may be perfect for him. I am not excusing this behavior, I am just saying there may be a reason.
...and some of the single guys that go...maybe they are lonely. Maybe they do not have anyone to go home to...I'd rather see them there...than say being a child molester or something like that.
Everybody cannot be "you" or be with "you", don't knock guys for trying to satisfy fantasies that they may have no other way of satisfying... |
Jimaz
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| | Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 9:32 pm: | |
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Kaptansolo
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| | Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 9:36 pm: | |
lol Jimaz |
Michigan
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| | Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 12:20 am: | |
lol |
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